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La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

Stephen Smit

La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

by Stephen Smit » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:18:14

Having sat thru most of Speedvision's 25-hour marathon coverage of Le Mans,
I have an even deeper appreciation of the earlier iteration of this
historic track...and Roland Ehnstrom's magnificent recreation of it.  It's
shocking to see how dinky the track itself has become, festooned with fussy
little chicanes, even as the tribunes have become ever more grandiose.  (Of
course, it's also shocking to see how narrow the pit straight was, even 12
years after Levegh's horrific accident.)  In Roland's version, I love the
truncated escape roads--more like turn-arounds--where you can avoid getting
beached on those treacherous sand banks (now gone...along with most of the
rest of the charm of the old track).  I also love the danger of scattering
the engines in GPL; reliability has rarely been a strategic factor in the
game.

You can create your own 8-hour mini-Le Mans by setting the number of laps in
the 67season.ini entry to 424, which gives you 128 laps (the max GPL will
score) in Intermediate Long (the highest mode that will support a Shift-R).
 If you can squeeze 32 laps from a tankful of gas, you'll need to refuel 3
times (abt. every 2 hours) to complete the 1071-mile race.  A more
practical maximum for online racing might be an Intermediate Short, 64
laps, with one Shift-R.  In a Novice test (unaccountably 34 laps, not 32),
I ran out of gas at Tetre Rouge on the last lap in the Lotus.

The undersized Brabham holds 43 gallons, good for a theoretical 30
laps.  The Brobdingagian BRM and Honda both carry 50 (!) gallons/32 laps;
the others are all 46/32.  Warning: the handling suffers plenty with full
fuel loads (50 gallons = 300 lbs.).

I'd be willing to host and/or participate in an online feasibility run, if
anybody's interested, but please let's cap the number of Shift-Rs so
nobody's tempted to try the obvious: a light fuel load and a ton of
Shift-Rs.  Email me.


Simon Brow

La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

by Simon Brow » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:01:44

Just on Rolands track itself, here in the UK, channel 4, who had a little
bit of live Le Mans coverage, showed a video from 1955 of Mike Hawthorn (?)
driving round Le Mans in a Jaguar E-Type.  They had stuck a (relatively)
small camera on the back of the E-Type facing forward, and fitted Mike with
a microphone.  Although it was the day before the 1955 race (I think) there
were cyclists, motorcyclist and pedestrians everywhere round the track, and
Mike was having to drive round them all.

Anyway, the point I wanted to make is that the track looked absolutely
identical to Rolands track (despite being 10 years or so earlier).  Every
rise, every fall, every camber change was identical.  Roland and his team
did a fantastic job.


> Having sat thru most of Speedvision's 25-hour marathon coverage of Le
Mans,
> I have an even deeper appreciation of the earlier iteration of this
> historic track...and Roland Ehnstrom's magnificent recreation of it.  It's

<snip>



Charlie

La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

by Charlie » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:42:41

This whole GPL thing then and now is scary.  :)

  Thanks alot to all those who spend so much time on these projects.

  Charlie


> Just on Rolands track itself, here in the UK, channel 4, who had a little
> bit of live Le Mans coverage, showed a video from 1955 of Mike Hawthorn
(?)
> driving round Le Mans in a Jaguar E-Type.  They had stuck a (relatively)
> small camera on the back of the E-Type facing forward, and fitted Mike
with
> a microphone.  Although it was the day before the 1955 race (I think)
there
> were cyclists, motorcyclist and pedestrians everywhere round the track,
and
> Mike was having to drive round them all.

> Anyway, the point I wanted to make is that the track looked absolutely
> identical to Rolands track (despite being 10 years or so earlier).  Every
> rise, every fall, every camber change was identical.  Roland and his team
> did a fantastic job.



> > Having sat thru most of Speedvision's 25-hour marathon coverage of Le
> Mans,
> > I have an even deeper appreciation of the earlier iteration of this
> > historic track...and Roland Ehnstrom's magnificent recreation of it.
It's

> <snip>



Rick Boy

La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

by Rick Boy » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:29:03

The first time I blasted down the Mulsanne I kept glancing at those
telephone poles.  They gave me the chills even though I've yet to be hurt
even once playing GPL.  I have died (at least) a thousand deaths though. <g>


> This whole GPL thing then and now is scary.  :)

>   Thanks alot to all those who spend so much time on these projects.

>   Charlie



> > Just on Rolands track itself, here in the UK, channel 4, who had a
little
> > bit of live Le Mans coverage, showed a video from 1955 of Mike Hawthorn
> (?)
> > driving round Le Mans in a Jaguar E-Type.  They had stuck a (relatively)
> > small camera on the back of the E-Type facing forward, and fitted Mike
> with
> > a microphone.  Although it was the day before the 1955 race (I think)
> there
> > were cyclists, motorcyclist and pedestrians everywhere round the track,
> and
> > Mike was having to drive round them all.

> > Anyway, the point I wanted to make is that the track looked absolutely
> > identical to Rolands track (despite being 10 years or so earlier).
Every
> > rise, every fall, every camber change was identical.  Roland and his
team
> > did a fantastic job.



> > > Having sat thru most of Speedvision's 25-hour marathon coverage of Le
> > Mans,
> > > I have an even deeper appreciation of the earlier iteration of this
> > > historic track...and Roland Ehnstrom's magnificent recreation of it.
> It's

> > <snip>



Simon Brow

La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

by Simon Brow » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:16:56

Actually the video was from 1956, the year after Mike Hawthorn won, and the
year after the accident.

And it was a D-Type Jag (thanks Steve) :)


MP

La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

by MP » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:38:49


I agree with the comment about the charm, but I was watching the 24hr
coverage at the weekend when they showed a car being pulled out of a
sand bank, then restarted. As they pulled back it revealed the scene as
being Arnage Corner, with that wooden fencing still in position!

I'd have thought they could remove some of the chicanes now, with the
improvements in car and driver safety. A prime candidate is the one that
completely ruins the Dunlop curve just after the start/finish.

- Michael

Stephen Smit

La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

by Stephen Smit » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:30:20

Haven't you noticed?  Like taxes (and probably death), once chicanes are
brought in, they never seem to go away.




> > In Roland's version, I love the
> > truncated escape roads--more like turn-arounds--where you can avoid
getting
> > beached on those treacherous sand banks (now gone...along with most of
the
> > rest of the charm of the old track).

> I agree with the comment about the charm, but I was watching the 24hr
> coverage at the weekend when they showed a car being pulled out of a
> sand bank, then restarted. As they pulled back it revealed the scene as
> being Arnage Corner, with that wooden fencing still in position!

> I'd have thought they could remove some of the chicanes now, with the
> improvements in car and driver safety. A prime candidate is the one that
> completely ruins the Dunlop curve just after the start/finish.

> - Michael

Ed Solhei

La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

by Ed Solhei » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:42:06

Having spendt 24 hours in the rain at La Sarthe last weeked - I'd say great
track, great work (atleast the bits I saw) from Roland *& Co.*  - but
totally wrong type of cars. Give me something with 2 seats and we can talk
:-)

ed_

Dave Henri

La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

by Dave Henri » Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:11:44


   Perhaps we could get the two seat Arrows trainer from F1CS2k???
dave henrie

MP

La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

by MP » Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:57:56


I know:-(

Mind you, they did remove one recently at Imola and returned Acque
Minerali to its former configuration. Having said that, they also added
new chicanes Tamburello and Villeneuve:-(

- Michael

Stephen Smit

La Sarthe - An Even Deeper Appreciation

by Stephen Smit » Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:37:29

Michael,


glory...more or less.

--Steve




> > Haven't you noticed?  Like taxes (and probably death), once chicanes are
> > brought in, they never seem to go away.

> I know:-(

> Mind you, they did remove one recently at Imola and returned Acque
> Minerali to its former configuration. Having said that, they also added
> new chicanes Tamburello and Villeneuve:-(

> - Michael


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