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NASCAR: This is my sport!

Richard Manni

NASCAR: This is my sport!

by Richard Manni » Sat, 15 Nov 1997 04:00:00


Good to know there are still people below me on the win chart!  ;-)  (I've won
at 97%, and can reliably spank them at 95-96% most of the time, but 98% and I'm
a dot in the rear-view mirror...)

As for suggestions, I'd say that there are several I'd give, varying with the
type of track.

Talladega:  This place is almost all setup.  It's very difficult to get the car
twitchy here, so raiste the front air dam all the way, lower the rear spoiler
completely, run 60 pounds in all four tires, stiffen all four shocks all the
way, and if you have the v1.21 patch, you should be clocking around 195 if you
take the tri-oval smoothly.  Unless you're MUCH faster or getting really good
traction, if you're catching someone in the tri-oval, you're best off backing
off the gas slightly so you don't have to try and pass 'em in the dogleg.  If
you DO want to pass there, it's a pretty good place--try diving to the inside
if you think you can get by before about halfway through, or go for the outside
pass if you won't be past by the apex--but it's risky as hell either way.  And
whatever you do, make the tri-oval as smooth as possible.  If you slide the
tires through it at all, you'll A) chew up tires too quickly and have to pit
before running out of gas, and B) probably eventually slide up into the wall
coming off, which ruins your chances for being competitive.

Intermediate tracks:  A lot of these are rather tricky, narrow tracks that I
don't have much advice for.  I can give you one tip each for MIS and C***te,
though.  At Michigan, you shouldn't need to brake at all unless you're on the
keyboard; with a joystick or wheel, just roll off the gas a bit earlier than
you would if you were to use brakes, and coast into the corner.  Once you've
found the line, gently roll back into the throttle; you should be wide-open by
about halfway through.  C***te is handled similarly, but you need to use a
touch of light brake to get into turn three (the second dogleg allows a long
arcing entry into turn one).  Be careful, at these speeds, an abrupt stomp on
the brakes tends to spin the car.

Short tracks:  Again, there are some *** ones I'm not any good at in here
(Richmond, for example), but I can give some advice for Bristol and M'ville.
First, just like anywhere, be as smooth as you can, to save the tires.  At
M'ville, if you can stretch the tires and the race goes green all the way (heh,
right, like THAT'll happen!), you can run one fewer pit stop than anyone else
and win by about two laps.  Second, be aggressive, though not overaggressive.
Don't TRY to take anyone out, but if that fellow in the black Chevy just won't
get out of your way, don't be afraid to punt him.  Third, unless your hood is
so crumpled that you can't see, or the rear decklid is torn up to the point of
the car being undrivably loose, don't bother fixing sheetmetal damage.  It won't
really slow you down, and you'll lose several laps getting it fixed.

Road courses:  Lean back, take it easy, don't wreck, and enjoy the pretty
scenery.  You're up against an entire field of Michael Schumachers and Jacques
Villeneuves, and nobody's yet figured out a way to simulate the G-forces you
need to feel if the car's on the edge of traction or what, so just sit back,
try to stay on the lead lap, and hope enough people drop out for you to get a
decent finish.  (Actually, this strategy DOES work fairly well as long as you
pit ONLY when you need tires and/or fuel, skipping even opportunities to pit
under yellow...)  If you wanna try and actually race, remember, be perfectly
smooth and never off-line, because one screwed-up corner can ruin half a lap,
and SLOW DOWN to go faster.  (It's weird, but it works.  Enter the corners
slower, and your lap will generally be faster...)

RM

Richard Manni

NASCAR: This is my sport!

by Richard Manni » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00


>195mph at talledega?  C'mon, I can hit 199 with a default setup.  :)

Yeah, but I never said I was GREAT... ;-)

(Actually, 197 is more realistic for qualifying, but I usually clock about 195
in a race--however, that's out of the draft...)

RM

Robert Johnso

NASCAR: This is my sport!

by Robert Johnso » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00

195mph at talledega?  C'mon, I can hit 199 with a default setup.  :)

You can do a 199 lap with the default setups?  Elvis must be your crew
chief.....

Robert Johnson
ICQ# 1655618

jrigdon

NASCAR: This is my sport!

by jrigdon » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00

He means Lap speed, I've hit 208 down the straightaway.  If your turning 199
lap speeds with the default, something is up. (I'm referring to N2)

Sondog


>195mph at talledega?  C'mon, I can hit 199 with a default setup.  :)

wsiegle

NASCAR: This is my sport!

by wsiegle » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00

195mph at talledega?  C'mon, I can hit 199 with a default setup.  :)

myke

NASCAR: This is my sport!

by myke » Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:00:00


> I don't think I've ever turned a lap at Talladega over 193mph (with the
> restrictor plate on, that is).  I've downloaded setups, even ones that have gone
> at 200mph.  What gives?  What am I doing wrong?  If anyone has any ideas, please
> let me know.  I'm tired of looking at all these speeds people have done and
> wondering why I can't go that fast.

What kind of controller are you using?

And since you agree your times are a little off your setup wouldn't
qualifiy as some great secret.

Reply with your setup numbers.  See if we can identify areas to improve.

As for speeds,

Temperature, wind speed and direction greatly effect your speed.

I was in a 40 degree hurricane 31 mph north and just about used turn 3
as a launching ramp.

With the proper gearing it is probably possible to hit 220 (top speed)
under those conditions.

Again, restrictor plate ON.

As for AI,

They don't follow the same physics model that your car does.

mykey

Evan Vic

NASCAR: This is my sport!

by Evan Vic » Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:00:00

I don't think I've ever turned a lap at Talladega over 193mph (with the
restrictor plate on, that is).  I've downloaded setups, even ones that have gone
at 200mph.  What gives?  What am I doing wrong?  If anyone has any ideas, please
let me know.  I'm tired of looking at all these speeds people have done and
wondering why I can't go that fast.
Another thing though:  I was running a race at Talladega.  I was a lap down to
the leader, who was Bill Elliott.  Bill was faster than everybody on the track,
except me.  I passed him, put never caught a caution (I might have been faster,
but I wasn't doing anything over 191 I don't think.)  Also, why don't the AI
draft?  They do to some extent, but like in the race I mentioned before, Bill
won by 6 seconds I think, and that was all from just pulling away, no one
helping him at all.
Oh well, if anyone knows the answer to any of my questions, get back to me.
Thanks!

Evan Vick
#85 Tarheel Sun/Premier Drums Ford Taurus

Bruce Chandl

NASCAR: This is my sport!

by Bruce Chandl » Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Its in the line and in the 4th gear ratio.....mainly the line you take
around the track it the most important...take the line that gives you
least amount of tire squeal...use the s key for your speedo and watch
it as you exit the turns...that is where you will find speed....most
of  all, practice, practice, practice.



John Simmo

NASCAR: This is my sport!

by John Simmo » Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:00:00



>>> I don't think I've ever turned a lap at Talladega over 193mph

Handy tip for 195 mph laps at 'Dega

1) Start with the Ace setup
2) Bring all tire pressures up to 60
3) Reduce steering lock to 6 degrees
4) Push the front/rear bias a couple of notches towards the front
5) Bring all the shocks up to 100%
6) Give the left front one more notch of negative camber
7) 4th gear at 3.40
8) Drive a nice consistent line with as little tire squeal as possible

After you get up to racing speed (two laps), you should be coming out of
turn 2 at at LEAST 188 and into the 190's on a good lap.  Coming out of
turn three, your speed should be at 190-192.  I can get up to 205-206 at
the end of the backstrech and up to 201 after crossing the finish line
just before going into turn 1.

I'm sure I could get 196's or maybe 197's if I tweaked the setup a little
more.

We're not talking about speed at the end of the backstretch, we're
talking about lap speed.  If you are talking about lap speed, try
bringing the temperature down to 70 degrees or turn off restrictor plates
(I was getting 225mph lap speeds with no restrictor plate).

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dmac2..

NASCAR: This is my sport!

by dmac2.. » Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:00:00



>> I don't think I've ever turned a lap at Talladega over 193mph (with the

Iam turnning 205 and I DONT even have a set up.
Just got into your turns LOW ride that whit line.

If i had a set id be a bad mammma jammna.
Some day I AM GONNA get a set up>>>>

dmac

Robert Johnso

NASCAR: This is my sport!

by Robert Johnso » Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:00:00

If you are turning 205's, you have the restrictor plate off.  And if you
do, 205 is slow for Tally with no restrictor.

--
Robert Johnson
ICQ# 1655618
Chieftian On TEN


|
|Iam turnning 205 and I DONT even have a set up.
|Just got into your turns LOW ride that whit line.
|
|If i had a set id be a bad mammma jammna.
|Some day I AM GONNA get a set up>>>>
|
|dmac


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