rec.autos.simulators

Chris

I have two answers for you:

1- Yes, I'm sure you will someday be able to race the banked Monza
oval in GPL, in fact with some people's current knowledge of track
editing it would be rather easy;

2- You won't be able to run on both the road circuit and banked oval
at the same time.  GPL won't allow it. :o(

Frank

Francois Dubuc,

Simulator ***world,
http://www.racesimcentral.net/***world/

Okay, you'll prove me wrong very quickly I'm sure, but Bull Run consists of
banking & road course? Different thing, I guess :)

Rob

Oh, I don't know! Does anyone actually read these sig's anyway!?
"You will respect my awforataaaay!"

thanks again dave!

ruby

<snipped some stuff I agree with>

Actually I have my doubts about that one, I still think it's a very good
possibility.  Many people have looked at Silverstone and ruled it as out of the
question, but they must remember: THEY ARE DRIVING OVER THE SAME TRACK SECTION!
They are driving on an object in that track section, which I believe would be the
reason the cars slow down (they say oh boy car in this section is right in front
of me and it doesn't check if it's over them or not).
Now the banking would be of different track section which means the car would not
be in front of it (would only know it as in section blah), which leads me to
believe it's still so very possible; but again I could be wrong...but  I doubt
that I am. ;-)
Probably shouldn't have said that, but hey it's either Dave or I that can do the
trk so if he feels like saving me time and backing me up I'll be more than happy
to see him create that track. :-)

Jon   Van Ginneken

"I try to do my best every day. If, at the end of the day
I know I did the best job I could do, I am satisfied."

                                  --Alex Zanardi

Dang.

Mikey the Slowpoke.

I agree, but this is only part of the problem.  This remains to be
verified, but I think the way GPL's engine is coded you'd get a
"cutting course" penalty if you'd ride the inner banking at full
speed.  Plus, I think the game is gonna have some trouble with driving
track sections in a non-sequential way...  The front stretch is used
for both the oval and the road course, so unless I misunderstand you
they'd still hold the same section offset number wether you're on the
oval or on the road course...  How would GPL be able to figure out
wich lap you're on?  Hell...  There are too many unknowns to say for
sure that it's completely impossible, but I'd say it's rather unlikely
at this point in time...  Wanna prove me wrong Jon? Please do! ;o)

Frank

Francois Dubuc,

Simulator ***world,
http://www.racesimcentral.net/***world/

Hehe it's Jon vs. Francois in the ultimate TRK and 3DO fight ;-P

Francois, you could always divide the frontstretch and putting a wall in the
middle of it so you can limit the track.  Back in those years from the
pictures I saw there was a line painted on the track, so people weren't
really racing on the same stretch, they just used half of it.  An Armco can
easily be added, no  ? :)

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Why?  If you don't put up those markers it can't say you cut the course (there aren't
any in Monza now, why would you need them?).  Also I believe the first number in the
checkpoint deal is the distance you have covered on the track up till that point...if
that doesn't match it wouldn't be tripped right?

Like he other Francios said, just thow in a barrier in there, lord knows we can't have
everything perfect. Only problem that makes is you must complete an oval lap before
you take the green out of the pits.

I'd do it, but I'm working on a cool hometown track that I think will prove to have
very intense racing which should see many driver mistakes which will allow for more
than the follow the leader deal.  The track in real life is one of the hardest on
brakes in real life...so it'll be fun in GPL I'm sure. <VBG>
To find out all that's needed is a small figure-eight/overpass oval which could be
made in a short amount of time in a few weeks/months.

Jon   Van Ginneken

"I try to do my best every day. If, at the end of the day
I know I did the best job I could do, I am satisfied."

                                  --Alex Zanardi

<cut crossing and inner banking>

Actually, the tribune straight was divided in two seperate sections by a safety
barrier. Maybe it is possible to define
the left part and the right part of the straight to be two seperate sections in GPL.

Han

Ya may be right...

Francios?  <G>  Anyway, you'd still have to cross from left to right
at some point, or maybe I'm mistaken in thinking that the cars were
crossing...  Oh...  Uh...  Hmmm...  If they don't cross on the front
straight then it may be possible...  Can anyone enlighten me on this?
Question is:  Do the cars exit parabolica then enter the inner
banking, or is it that they continue on the straight to curva grande?
I thought it was the second one, so then if I'm wong you'll understand
why I was saying it shouldn't be possible...

Hehehe...  We're waiting!

Interesting project...  Maybe we should try this in an ICR2 track,
since building up a new track.3do file is still out of my reach at
this point...  Now that I think of it, I might have problems with an
ICR2 3DO as well...  Awww forget it!

If any 3DO guru wants to give this test a shot...

Frank

Francois Dubuc,

Simulator ***world,
http://www.racesimcentral.net/***world/

So, if you run the full 10 km track (road course + oval), you'll start at
the left side of the straight (the grid is at the right in GPL, too) and
head for the the Curva Grande and the rest for the roadcourse. Then, after
Parabolica, you'll enter the straight at the right, don't cross the
straight and enter the banking at the right of the track.

Finally, after completing the oval, you'll enter the straight at the left
again to cross start/finish and enter Curva grande.

grtn,
hgrm.

Well thanks for enlightening me Hans! <G>

Then I guess it could be possible, if we assume that GPL doesn't track
x,y,z positions for cars in it's collision algorithm...  That still
remains to be seen...

Would anyone stand up and do that damn 8 shaped track? <VBG>

Frank

Francois Dubuc,

Simulator ***world,
http://www.racesimcentral.net/***world/

<snip>

i before o, except after...of that's I before e.  Sorry about that, but I am not the # 1
grammatical person in the world.  Spelled one of my bestest friend's name wrong for 3
years! :-)

The other Francois showed me a picture of it.  You cross the S/F line on the outside of the
straight, do a lap around the road course. you come out of parabolica, keep to the right
and go around the oval once and come out on the outside of the S/F straight and complete a
lap...they would have to do this or else you could confuse Timing and Scoring guys.

<snip>

It wouldn't work in ICR2, I know that...

Jon   Van Ginneken

"I try to do my best every day. If, at the end of the day
I know I did the best job I could do, I am satisfied."

                                  --Alex Zanardi