rec.autos.simulators

by Te » Thu, 29 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>It makes perfect sense! Do you drive an automatic or manual?

>Drivers who drive an automatic vehicle will usually use their right
>foot for both braking AND accelerating!

Still don't get it... and what are those of us doing with manual
gearboxes? braking with their head? ;)

--Tel

by **David A. Ewin** » Thu, 29 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>> I'm sure that most european F1 drivers do not. I'm pretty sure that
>>Schumacher doesn't - I couldn't find the article Randy referred to but I
>>am positive that there is a misunderstanding there.

>There was absolutely no misunderstanding. I'll dig up the article and
>quote it so you see.

>>Schumacher almost certainly does not right foot brake.

>What's your source for this? At least I have a legitimate source for
>my comment.

Randy,

Richard is right. Schumacher definitely left foot brakes. I don't have any
exact quotes handy, but think about it. He came up as a go kart driver.
Damon Hill is just about the last of the right foot brakers.

Dave Ewing

by **Richard G Cleg** » Thu, 29 Jul 1999 04:00:00

:>Schumacher almost certainly does not right foot brake.

: What's your source for this? At least I have a legitimate source for
: my comment.

Schumi is a kart driver (unless you drive cross legged you left foot
brake in karts). He is widely admired for his trail braking technique.
Now he could be doing that with heel and toe but it's going to be
f**ing difficult.

Damon Hill is considered unusual amongst f1 drivers in right foot
braking.

--
Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

by **Randy Magrud** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Alex Zanardi also right foot brakes (or did up through his current F1
stint, and that includes his days in go-karts and lower series, as
well his first foray into F1 and then into CART). According to Racer
magazine (if memory serves) he was getting pointers from Jimmy Vasser
on left foot braking, as Jimmy does this.

Randy

>:>Schumacher almost certainly does not right foot brake.

>: What's your source for this? At least I have a legitimate source for
>: my comment.

> Schumi is a kart driver (unless you drive cross legged you left foot
>brake in karts). He is widely admired for his trail braking technique.
>Now he could be doing that with heel and toe but it's going to be
>f**ing difficult.

> Damon Hill is considered unusual amongst f1 drivers in right foot
>braking.

Randy Magruder
http://members.home.com/rmagruder

by **pjgt..** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

> >> I would like to point out. Michael Schumacher RIGHT FOOT BRAKES!

> Not any more

He he he, ouch!!!!

8-)

*Peter* 8-)

by **Mike Whit** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>Alex Zanardi also right foot brakes (or did up through his current F1
>stint, and that includes his days in go-karts and lower series, as
>well his first foray into F1 and then into CART). According to Racer
>magazine (if memory serves) he was getting pointers from Jimmy Vasser
>on left foot braking, as Jimmy does this.

>Randy

Is this the same Alex Zenardi that flew thru the cork-screw at Laguna Seca
when he did a no-foot brake job?

by **Mike Whit** » Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:00:00

>From hearing him at a F1 track in Montreal for the past almost 7years, you
>can clearly see he keeps the revs up a little into the corners when he
>brakes, so he has to use both pedals at the same time, I can't imagine him
>using the heel for the gas and toe for the brake. I mean he got his
>experience from Karting, so that's how he learned to race a car (both feet
>on both pedals). IMHO

Ok now I'm impressed.. "both feet on both pedals".

I've seen one foot, on both pedals... but both feet?

by **drbo..** » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Right foot braking in a go-kart is a real accomplishment. No
wonder he's the greatest.

bob :-)

by **John Bradl** » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

For what it's worth, in sims I left-or-right-foot-brake based on the sim
in question.

In SCGT and F1RS I use my left foot to brake, primarily because I need
quick reflexes to deal with the shenanigans of the AI drivers. In both
of those (and to a lesser extent, in Viper), 'twitch' driving seems to
work reasonably well.

In GPL, the only way I can drive is to be very smooth and precise. If I
find myself twitching, well, soon enough I'll be shift-R'ing... I right-
foot brake in GPL, because I can control the amount of braking much more
precisely with my right foot. (Real life experience helps, no doubt.)

That said, I still would *like* to left-brake in GPL - one of these days
I'll have to learn how.

--jhb

by **Neil Rain** » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

> For what it's worth, in sims I left-or-right-foot-brake based on the sim
> in question.

> In SCGT and F1RS I use my left foot to brake, primarily because I need
> quick reflexes to deal with the shenanigans of the AI drivers. In both
> of those (and to a lesser extent, in Viper), 'twitch' driving seems to
> work reasonably well.

> In GPL, the only way I can drive is to be very smooth and precise. If I
> find myself twitching, well, soon enough I'll be shift-R'ing... I right-
> foot brake in GPL, because I can control the amount of braking much more
> precisely with my right foot. (Real life experience helps, no doubt.)

> That said, I still would *like* to left-brake in GPL - one of these days
> I'll have to learn how.

I find it much more fun with split pedal axis control (where the brake
and throttle are read independently by the sim), and to take advantage
of this you obviously need to left-foot brake (otherwise you can't press
both pedals at once).

It does feel really nice to gradually transition between braking and
accelerating (and vice-versa).

I would have thought that if real-life racing drivers did use their
right foot to brake they would have to be using the heel-and-toe
technique so that they could smoothly transition from one state to the
other - otherwise there has to be a pause while you move your foot from
one pedal to the other.

by **Greg Hellman** » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Randy, i got tricked by this information myself. It was two weeks ago that I
read on autorace.com that Michael Schumacher was said to brake with his
right foot. This news was posted in combination of a statement of Mika
Hakkinen (not sure if Mika said that exactly) Well, since i drive with only
one foot I was both happy and stunned about this, although i could not
really believe it to be true. Only to find out days later that he obviously
does the exact opposite which is using both feet to to drive and braking
with his left foot (just like anybody else in Formula 1 and in simracing).
For me personally driving with one foot in simulations has become a second
nature ever since ICR2 and I still continue this even with MGPRS2 and the
narrow pedal stance of the TSW Formula. But most importantly one-foot
driving is a major thrill. As opposed to a statement way above in this
thread top times are possible using this technique. (despite the two tenths
you might lose in the process of switching over to the other pedal...

I know there are a few sim drivers that drive with one foot...hi to y'all.
:)

Well, to get to the point, according to Ferrari (think they would know this
best...) Michael does brake with his left foot:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Posted 19/07/1999 13:08:42

Schumacher will not have an early come back with a revised F399

A Ferrari spokesman today denied stories that Michael Schumacher could make
a speedy return to the***pit, using a hand-controlled accelerator fitted
to the steering wheel. "The throttle on our cars is controlled
electronically, so we could easily reduce the spring pressure in the
throttle foot pedal," said Claudio Berro. "Michael brakes with his left
foot, so there's no problem there either. The limiting factor would be the
discomfort to his leg caused by the high lateral forces during cornering.
But at the end of the day, what would stop him driving before he is fully
fit is the difficulty in getting out of the***pit unaided in under five
seconds, as required in the rules."

> > I'm sure that most european F1 drivers do not. I'm pretty sure that
> >Schumacher doesn't - I couldn't find the article Randy referred to but I
> >am positive that there is a misunderstanding there.

> There was absolutely no misunderstanding. I'll dig up the article and
> quote it so you see.

> >Schumacher almost certainly does not right foot brake.

> What's your source for this? At least I have a legitimate source for
> my comment.

> Randy

> Randy Magruder
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Andre Warrin** » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

So you should start to learn to brake with your left foot, you will
gain two tenths of a second. Makes a big difference in a 60-lap race!

Andre

by **Neil Rain** » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

> So you should start to learn to brake with your left foot, you will
> gain two tenths of a second. Makes a big difference in a 60-lap race!

Especially if it's 2 tenths per corner, rather than per lap! ;-)

I imagine right-foot braking in GPL is pretty exciting - perhaps for the
wrong reasons though!

by **Randy Magrud** » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I do brake with my left foot in sims, and it looks like the ITV report
was inaccurate. Not the first time. Thanks for the clarification

Randy

>Randy, i got tricked by this information myself. It was two weeks ago that I
>read on autorace.com that Michael Schumacher was said to brake with his
>right foot. This news was posted in combination of a statement of Mika
>Hakkinen (not sure if Mika said that exactly) Well, since i drive with only
>one foot I was both happy and stunned about this, although i could not
>really believe it to be true. Only to find out days later that he obviously
>does the exact opposite which is using both feet to to drive and braking
>with his left foot (just like anybody else in Formula 1 and in simracing).
>For me personally driving with one foot in simulations has become a second
>nature ever since ICR2 and I still continue this even with MGPRS2 and the
>narrow pedal stance of the TSW Formula. But most importantly one-foot
>driving is a major thrill. As opposed to a statement way above in this
>thread top times are possible using this technique. (despite the two tenths
>you might lose in the process of switching over to the other pedal...

>I know there are a few sim drivers that drive with one foot...hi to y'all.
>:)

>Well, to get to the point, according to Ferrari (think they would know this
>best...) Michael does brake with his left foot:

>http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>Posted 19/07/1999 13:08:42

>Schumacher will not have an early come back with a revised F399

>A Ferrari spokesman today denied stories that Michael Schumacher could make
>a speedy return to the***pit, using a hand-controlled accelerator fitted
>to the steering wheel. "The throttle on our cars is controlled
>electronically, so we could easily reduce the spring pressure in the
>throttle foot pedal," said Claudio Berro. "Michael brakes with his left
>foot, so there's no problem there either. The limiting factor would be the
>discomfort to his leg caused by the high lateral forces during cornering.
>But at the end of the day, what would stop him driving before he is fully
>fit is the difficulty in getting out of the***pit unaided in under five
>seconds, as required in the rules."

>> > I'm sure that most european F1 drivers do not. I'm pretty sure that
>> >Schumacher doesn't - I couldn't find the article Randy referred to but I
>> >am positive that there is a misunderstanding there.

>> There was absolutely no misunderstanding. I'll dig up the article and
>> quote it so you see.

>> >Schumacher almost certainly does not right foot brake.

>> What's your source for this? At least I have a legitimate source for
>> my comment.

>> Randy

>> Randy Magruder
>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Randy Magruder
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Andre Warrin** » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

For a really exciting experience, try steering with your feet while
braking with your hands! Ok, it will costs you 30 secs a lap, but it's
really exciting :)

Andre

>> So you should start to learn to brake with your left foot, you will
>> gain two tenths of a second. Makes a big difference in a 60-lap race!

>Especially if it's 2 tenths per corner, rather than per lap! ;-)

>I imagine right-foot braking in GPL is pretty exciting - perhaps for the
>wrong reasons though!

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