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Well guys, I'd like to put in a little feedback for this question.  I left foot
brake personally.  I feel that I get quicker reaction times that way.  :)

Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited

Yeah, he does. "left-foot-braking" is a technique invented by the Flying
Finns, or so the story goes.
To get the front tires to grip while on full accel, the brakes are
"dabbed". I've seen In-car shots of
him doing it several times (last one I remember was the "whatever-R"
flat out turn at Suzuka.
Hell, I even saw Ricky Rudd LFB'ing his way through the esses at the
Glen!
And how can you be so sure he does not left foot it? It's common
practice in F1 these days, they
have no clutch to worry about, the transition from pedal to pedal takes
time....
I am quite certain the McLaren guys & Jordan are leftfooting. Some
drivers felt uncomfortable with it
(Zanardi took some time to get used to it) so they had to stick with the
common setup.
:)
Matt

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Check http://www.ITV-F1.Com, where Mika Hakkinen was expressing
concern about Michael's ability to regain his driving form because of
how difficult it will be for him as a right foot braker to put
pressure on that leg.  

Randy

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As it happens I do drive an automatic in real life, and in fact I use my
right foot to brake, even though I use left-foot braking in GPL.

It's just a result of the layout of the pedals - the "real" car has a
little shelf-type thing where you put your left foot, and you then use
your right foot for the accelerator and brake.  This was very natural
for me as I'd always driven manual cars before.

On the other hand, the TSW pedals are side-by side and are much
narrower, so it would be very difficult to right-foot brake and still be
anywhere near competitive.  Left-foot braking just seemed natural right
from the start, and I have no problem going back to right-foot braking
in the real car - after all, I'm not racing when I'm driving that car!

I thought that racing drivers who right-foot brake had a special layout
of pedals and used their heel for the brake and toe for the accelerator
(or is it the other way round?).

On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:27:23 +0200, Christer Andersson

Bad practice in real life on roads; braking with your right foot makes
sure you don't step on the throttle as you brake, especially in
emergency situations, where the neocortex loses it from your limbic
system and reflexes are the only thing trying to save you or the thing
that's causing the panic.

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Not any more

I've never been able to adapt to doing it that way, even with my TSW
pedals -- left-foot braking on the track is fine, of course; the
purpose of my rant was to discourage beginning (real-life) drivers
from getting into the habit of left-foot braking in a REAL car.  Since
there are so many people out there now who CAN'T drive a manual
transmission, it frightens me to think how many people might actually
be using their left foot to brake.  <shiver!>

I'm not sure if it's a special layout, but the pedals are VERY closely
spaced in a Champ car or an IRL car, for example.

-- JB

I brake with the right foot in real life (automatic transmission and
manual shift alike) and with the left foot in sims. I can't teach my
left foot to apply the right amount of pressure on a pedal with little
travel and a lot of resistance (real life brake), but it's quite good
in modulating a pedal with little resistance and a lot of travel (real
life clutch / T2 brake pedal).

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Well, the mis-spelling of the title of this thread must have been some
kind of Freudian slip!

% Well guys, I'd like to put in a little feedback for this question.  I left foot
% brake personally.  I feel that I get quicker reaction times that way.  :)

In sim life, I brake with the left foot.  Why, partially due to the
pedal layout of my controller.  But, in GPL I spend alot of time doing a
left/right foot ballet in the corners.  I would not be able to have the
control I need to keep the car balanced through the turns if I only used
one foot for both gas and brake.

But then, I am not a "hot-lapper" just an almost consistent-not-quite
mid-packer. <G>

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On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:27:23 +0200, Christer Andersson

It makes perfect sense! Do you drive an automatic or manual?

Drivers who drive an automatic vehicle will usually use their right
foot for both braking AND accelerating!

On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:46:30 +0200, Matthew Birger Knutsen

You must consider that nearly every european driver brakes by right
foot: here we are not too much used to auto-shift as you in USA:))
if you have to use manual gears & clutch, right foot is natural
choice, imho
bye
Franz
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: On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:46:30 +0200, Matthew Birger Knutsen

:>
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:>> I would like to point out.  Michael Schumacher RIGHT FOOT BRAKES!
:>>
: You must consider that nearly every european driver brakes by right
: foot:

  I'm sure that most european F1 drivers do not.  I'm pretty sure that
Schumacher doesn't - I couldn't find the article Randy referred to but I
am positive that there is a misunderstanding there.  Hakkinen may have
said that Michael's leg wouldn't have stood up to the forces generated
by braking (for example).  Schumacher almost certainly does not right
foot brake.  I think Hill is one of the few remaining drivers that does
and that's only because he can't get the hang of it.  (Tried it for a
while in 96 and couldn't master it).

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Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

There was absolutely no misunderstanding.  I'll dig up the article and
quote it so you see.

What's your source for this?  At least I have a legitimate source for
my comment.  

Randy

Randy Magruder
http://members.home.com/rmagruder

Well, from my understanding Schumacher has mastered the art of trailbraking
and keeping the momentum exiting the corners, because he applies both gas
and brake at the same time (sorta like the Turbo-era of F1).

From hearing him at a F1 track in Montreal for the past almost 7years, you
can clearly see he keeps the revs up a little into the corners when he
brakes, so he has to use both pedals at the same time, I can't imagine him
using the heel for the gas and toe for the brake.  I mean he got his
experience from Karting, so that's how he learned to race a car (both feet
on both pedals).  IMHO

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