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by **Steve Garrot** » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I purchased this cool magazine with some really good stuff on F1,
called Formula 1 50 Golden Years (Fox sports?). It had this picture of
Monza's start in 1967 and it showed the end of the banking so well, I
thought many might want to see it. It is rather large, but I did not
shrink it as I figured detail would be appreciated more than speed.

Oh yeah, better tell you where it is located! DUH!

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

SLG

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)

by **M Connoll** » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Thanks for that, nice picture. Two observations . . .

1) ***y hell that banking is steep!

2) Those people chilling out under the umbrella at the exit to
Parabolica would be very dead indeed if I was in the race. There're
right on my "wheelspin after screwing up" (as opposed to ideal) line
for that corner.

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by **Uncle Feste** » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> Thanks for that, nice picture. Two observations . . .

> 1) ***y hell that banking is steep!

> 2) Those people chilling out under the umbrella at the exit to
> Parabolica would be very dead indeed if I was in the race. There're
> right on my "wheelspin after screwing up" (as opposed to ideal) line
> for that corner.

Boy, that's for sure! The guy further up in Parabolica is in a bad spot
too. That's my "Oh shit, I overcooked it trying to outbrake Surtees!"
overrun. In fact, anyone on the banking at the time could be in peril.
;-)

--
Chuck Kandler

A man is no less a Slave just because he is
allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

by **Andre Warring** » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

>I purchased this cool magazine with some really good stuff on F1,
>called Formula 1 50 Golden Years (Fox sports?). It had this picture of
>Monza's start in 1967 and it showed the end of the banking so well, I
>thought many might want to see it. It is rather large, but I did not
>shrink it as I figured detail would be appreciated more than speed.

Great picture! Any more interesting pictures in that magazine?

Andre

by **Eldre** » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

writes:

>> Thanks for that, nice picture. Two observations . . .

>> 1) ***y hell that banking is steep!

>> 2) Those people chilling out under the umbrella at the exit to
>> Parabolica would be very dead indeed if I was in the race. There're
>> right on my "wheelspin after screwing up" (as opposed to ideal) line
>> for that corner.

>Boy, that's for sure! The guy further up in Parabolica is in a bad spot
>too. That's my "Oh shit, I overcooked it trying to outbrake Surtees!"
>overrun. In fact, anyone on the banking at the time could be in peril.
>;-)

I've seen so many crazy people in the Speedvision films. It amazes me how
close ordinary people were able to get to the track. Like on the exit of
Masta?!? Whoa...

Eldred
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by **Tony StewartNo** » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Well I dont know why papy didnt make Monza like that with tall grass. so you
can see the banking. plus the banking straight goes out to far in GPL. (Just
nitpicking)

But wouldnt it be fun with that embankment and fly over it and go over the
banking. :-)

by **Uncle Feste** » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> I've seen so many crazy people in the Speedvision films. It amazes me how
> close ordinary people were able to get to the track. Like on the exit of
> Masta?!? Whoa...

Either they're incredibly stupid, or they definitely clank when they
walk! I rather suspect the former...

--
Chuck Kandler

A man is no less a Slave just because he is
allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

by **Uncle Feste** » Sat, 15 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> That's why motor-racing for a spectator back then was *far* more exciting
> than now.

Kinda gives a whole new definition to the term "keep your eyes on the
action", eh Bruce? <g>

--
Chuck Kandler

A man is no less a Slave just because he is
allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Interesting to see the eventual winner down around 8th. or 9th. off the
grid.

He had quite a few cars to ram before taking the lead!!! :-)

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:00:00

That's why motor-racing for a spectator back then was *far* more exciting
than now.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> > Thanks for that, nice picture. Two observations . . .

> > 1) ***y hell that banking is steep!

> > 2) Those people chilling out under the umbrella at the exit to
> > Parabolica would be very dead indeed if I was in the race. There're
> > right on my "wheelspin after screwing up" (as opposed to ideal) line
> > for that corner.

> Boy, that's for sure! The guy further up in Parabolica is in a bad spot
> too. That's my "Oh shit, I overcooked it trying to outbrake Surtees!"
> overrun. In fact, anyone on the banking at the time could be in peril.
> ;-)

> --
> Chuck Kandler

> A man is no less a Slave just because he is
> allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:00:00

It's only considered "crazy" by today's standards of safety....and
litigation, Eldred.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> writes:

> >> Thanks for that, nice picture. Two observations . . .

> >> 1) ***y hell that banking is steep!

> >> 2) Those people chilling out under the umbrella at the exit to
> >> Parabolica would be very dead indeed if I was in the race. There're
> >> right on my "wheelspin after screwing up" (as opposed to ideal) line
> >> for that corner.

> >Boy, that's for sure! The guy further up in Parabolica is in a bad spot
> >too. That's my "Oh shit, I overcooked it trying to outbrake Surtees!"
> >overrun. In fact, anyone on the banking at the time could be in peril.
> >;-)

> I've seen so many crazy people in the Speedvision films. It amazes me how
> close ordinary people were able to get to the track. Like on the exit of
> Masta?!? Whoa...

> Eldred
> --
> Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
> Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> GPL hcp. +70.45

> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Well...that's how we went motor-racing then. It's all very easy to use 30+
year's of collective wisdom but the sport was far more dangerous then for
both driver AND spectator.
But we didn't question it because it was .....well, it just WAS.

If somebody had invented chain link fencing and Armco barriers in 1954 that
terrible accident at le Mans in '55 may not have happened. But it did,
because it was 1955, not 1995.

When criticising past behaviour...and technology...one has to remember that
one is doing so from a lofty position that allows the benefit of looking
backwards into history.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> > That's why motor-racing for a spectator back then was *far* more
exciting
> > than now.

> Kinda gives a whole new definition to the term "keep your eyes on the
> action", eh Bruce? <g>

> --
> Chuck Kandler

> A man is no less a Slave just because he is
> allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

by **Stephen Ferguso** » Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Just curious. I never realized in my GP2 days that the little jink to the
left as you enter the main straight was to line up with the exit from the
banking. I remember GP2 showed a bit of the banking as it disappeared away
in the area of the first chicane. I have long ago deleted GP2, but did it
also show the banking coming onto the main straight (that is, if you turned
around and drove backwards)?

Stephen

by **Michael G. Lower** » Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Bruce,
Agreed. From our current "lofty position" I always shake my head in
amazement when watching a contemporary rally race. Just this weekend I
caught some of Speedvision's coverage of rallies from Portugal and
Spain. Thousands of spectators lining loose-dirt roads with cars
whizzing past kicking dirt into the spectators' faces.... It amazes me
that they can still run the races like that.

Michael Lowery

> Well...that's how we went motor-racing then. It's all very easy to use 30+
> year's of collective wisdom but the sport was far more dangerous then for
> both driver AND spectator.
> But we didn't question it because it was .....well, it just WAS.

> If somebody had invented chain link fencing and Armco barriers in 1954 that
> terrible accident at le Mans in '55 may not have happened. But it did,
> because it was 1955, not 1995.

> When criticising past behaviour...and technology...one has to remember that
> one is doing so from a lofty position that allows the benefit of looking
> backwards into history.

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------

> > > That's why motor-racing for a spectator back then was *far* more
> exciting
> > > than now.

> > Kinda gives a whole new definition to the term "keep your eyes on the
> > action", eh Bruce? <g>

> > --
> > Chuck Kandler

> > A man is no less a Slave just because he is
> > allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Yes, I am amazed by these events, Michael.
As a spectator, I've stood next to racing tracks close enough to reach out
and touch a car as it has passed (relatively slowly....I always liked to
spectate at the slower corners).
No way in the world would I ever do that as part of a crowd lining a gravel
road on which rally cars are arriving sideways in an enormous cloud of dust.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> Bruce,
> Agreed. From our current "lofty position" I always shake my head in
> amazement when watching a contemporary rally race. Just this weekend I
> caught some of Speedvision's coverage of rallies from Portugal and
> Spain. Thousands of spectators lining loose-dirt roads with cars
> whizzing past kicking dirt into the spectators' faces.... It amazes me
> that they can still run the races like that.

> Michael Lowery

> > Well...that's how we went motor-racing then. It's all very easy to use
30+
> > year's of collective wisdom but the sport was far more dangerous then
for
> > both driver AND spectator.
> > But we didn't question it because it was .....well, it just WAS.

> > If somebody had invented chain link fencing and Armco barriers in 1954
that
> > terrible accident at le Mans in '55 may not have happened. But it did,
> > because it was 1955, not 1995.

> > When criticising past behaviour...and technology...one has to remember
that
> > one is doing so from a lofty position that allows the benefit of looking
> > backwards into history.

> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------

> > > > That's why motor-racing for a spectator back then was *far* more
> > exciting
> > > > than now.

> > > Kinda gives a whole new definition to the term "keep your eyes on the
> > > action", eh Bruce? <g>

> > > --
> > > Chuck Kandler

> > > A man is no less a Slave just because he is
> > > allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

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