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by **robswindell** » Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Am I right in saying that at the Italian GP, Jim Clark went 1 lap down
early in the race, got the lap back, re-passed everyone to take the lead
before running out of fuel? Is that not extremely impressive? That must
be the only time it's happened in GP history. I certainly can't see even
Schumacher doing that!

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by **Karl Zose** » Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Its a true story. Just shows you the difference in car performance. And
still some idiots will say that F1 was more exciting in the 60's than in the
90's. If Clark's Lotus didn't break down, he won every race. The same goes
for Fangio in the 50's.

by **Thomas J.S. Brow** » Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:00:00

> > Am I right in saying that at the Italian GP, Jim Clark went 1 lap down
> > early in the race, got the lap back, re-passed everyone to take the lead
> > before running out of fuel? Is that not extremely impressive? That must
> > be the only time it's happened in GP history. I certainly can't see even
> > Schumacher doing that!

> Its a true story. Just shows you the difference in car performance. And
> still some idiots will say that F1 was more exciting in the 60's than in the
> 90's. If Clark's Lotus didn't break down, he won every race. The same goes
> for Fangio in the 50's.

It's not simply a matter of the car, that was one of Clark's most impressive
drives as I understand.

As for Fangio, he was well known for chosing the right car at the right time,
but we're still talking about a legendary talent that was capable of getting
more out of the car than the average driver.

by **robswindell** » Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Maybe Clark was just fantastically gifted? Many say he's the greatest driver
ever.

> Its a true story. Just shows you the difference in car performance. And
> still some idiots will say that F1 was more exciting in the 60's than in the
> 90's. If Clark's Lotus didn't break down, he won every race. The same goes
> for Fangio in the 50's.

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Rob Swindells
Goldline Bearings FFord Championship: http://swindells.8m.com
...James Hunt - 'Our Nige' - Damon Hill - Oh Please, please...

by **MWhite49** » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hello, again, Rob. I forgot to mention that I saw Gilles Villenueve put on an
incredible display of talent at the Glen in around 1979. It was raining during
practice. The forecast was for rain to continue throughout the weekend, so
nearly everyone was trying to maximize the wet setup. At the time, a good dry
qualifying time was 1:40.
I was watching from near the top of the esses. Near the end of the session,
the only driver who seemed to have a handle was Jody Scheckter, running laps
around 2:02. Villenueve came out and flew past the first time by. There was
water flowing across the track. The esses were especially difficult because of
the chicane that had been installed after Francois Cevert's death. The other
drivers were going through pretty slowly. Villenueve came by MUCH faster than
anyone else. The car was oversteering at about a 5 degree angle to the right,
then just at the right instant it just switched to the left, oversteering
around 5 degrees exiting the chicane. Then, over the hill, oversteering to the
right. The announcer hesitated because he thought it was a mistake. 1:50. My
description doesn't do it justice. Gilles was flying where the others were
tip-toeing. Others went off going much slower. I know this driving style
eventually killed him, but it was an awesome display of skill.
I wish I could have seen Jim Clark drive in person.
Regards, Ed.

by **Leo Landma** » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I have (at Zandvoort) and I must disappoint you: it was not a spectacular
display. Very smooth, very much in control, it didn't look fast - from what
I remember.

Bye,
Leo

by **David Ewin** » Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:00:00

> > I wish I could have seen Jim Clark drive in person.

> I have (at Zandvoort) and I must disappoint you: it was not a spectacular
> display. Very smooth, very much in control, it didn't look fast - from what
> I remember.

You've just described Clark's style to a T - "very smooth, very much in
control". Clark was also legendary for being easy on the car, thanks to this
style. He was the antithesis of Gilles Villeneuve. GV was definitely fast,
but was extremely *** his cars. GV sure was fun to watch, though.

Dave Ewing

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by **David Er** » Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I believe that a Goodyear tire technician of that time commented that
Clarks tires always showed the same amount of wear front and back; unusual
in his day . The only film i have ever seen of his driving were his
Indianapolis adventures but he was certainly smooth there.

David

by **Trip** » Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:00:00

>> I wish I could have seen Jim Clark drive in person.

>I have (at Zandvoort) and I must disappoint you: it was not a spectacular
>display. Very smooth, very much in control, it didn't look fast - from what
>I remember.

I can't imagine a MORE spectacular display than what you've just
described.

Trips
D. Bell on VROC

by **Christopher Rossi** » Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I was at the 90 that day and recorded those laps
on audio tape. I almost wore the tape out playing
it over and over. Still have it somewhere.
chris r

> Hello, again, Rob. I forgot to mention that I saw Gilles Villenueve put on an
> incredible display of talent at the Glen in around 1979. It was raining during
> practice.

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by **Graeme Nas** » Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:00:00

At Spa in 1960, when Stirling Moss had his back-breaking crash at
Burnenville, the Lotus team checked the rear axles (?) on its cars.
Moss's had snapped completely. Another car's was*** by a thread,
whilst Clark's was totally undamaged.

Says something for a clean style a guess :-)

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Graeme Nash

by **pa..** » Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:35:24 +0000, robswindells

>Maybe Clark was just fantastically gifted? Many say he's the greatest driver
>ever.

He was. I saw him. Incredible ... Simply Incredible. Never seen
anybody *** NEARLY *** as good before or since, and that includes
Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Gilles Villenueve, etc. ...

You wouldn't have believed it ...

Even Foyt said he was the best he had ever seen ... And that's the
highest compliment in the world you can get from ol' A.J. ...

Allan

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