> >I'm sure to get flamed for this, BUT... keep in mind this is nothing
> >personal and I'm just trying to be objective.
> >sent shooting through ***space:
> >>One word folks..........B*******. This is exactly what NASCAR thinks
> >>of you, the computer sim driver.
> >I couldn't say this until I'd talked to NASCAR personally. Like I
> >ever will...
> >> A trademark issue.....I really don't think so. How many web sites are
> >>out there that use the word NASCAR, a picture of the Nascar Racing
> >>game box, etc etc. How many NASSCAR drivers really got confused,
> >>thinking I was actually at the race last week and beat Dale Earnhardt
> >>to the line?
> >Well, the problem with NASSCAR (at least as I can see it in the
> >gentleman's letter) is not just the word NASCAR or the box logo --
> >it's that NASSCAR is in that distinctive multicolored bar logo that is
> >EXACTLY like the NASCAR logo. That, coupled with the NASCAR box, is
> >close enough to the actual logo that it might be considered a
> >violation. Close enough, at least, for them to write to you. I don't
> >think this has anything to do with them thinking you're affiliated
> >with NASCAR -- just that they think your site mimics the trademarked
> >items too closely.
> >>It's all dollars and cents folks. NASSCAR commands the attention of
> >>alot of computer sim drivers. Now that NASCAR has sanctioned Papyrus
> >>as its 13th division, it's quite clear that NASCAR wants full control
> >>of the simulated racing world.
> >I don't think so. I think that now that NASCAR is entering into the
> >sim-racing field, they don't want any confusion as to which site is
> >legally licensed to use their logo. Simple. Otherwise, if they WERE
> >trying to take over sim racing, they'd have gone after IVGA, IVL, IGN,
> >etc. etc. etc. as well -- but they don't, because they have unique
> >logos and names. It has nothing to do with the size or importance of
> >a racing series, either. Just the trademarks.
> >My guess is when Daytona found out about the patch, they might have
> >alerted NASCAR to be more vigilant to sim racing and possible
> >trademark violations. They are, after all, legally bound by the terms
> >of the trademark law to defend it, or they'll lose the rights to it.
> >>I guess I'll rename the series.......NASUCKS. Think anyone would be
> >>confused about the meaning of that?
> >I certainly am not.
> >>Please, not just for the sake of NASSCAR, but for the sake of all
> >>series similar to it which operate today or may operate in the future,
> >>write or call NASCAR and let them know what you think of their latest
> >>endeavor.
> >I'm not going to, because in this case I think they have legal
> >justification for their actions. I would be on their side as well if
> >they wrote ME a letter getting on me for using sponsors' look-and-feel
> >in IWCCCARS -- because frankly I am.
> >Truth be told, NASSCAR is popular enough that it wouldn't hurt you to
> >change your logo design. That would clear up this whole problem. My
> >understanding is that they don't care about the NAME, just that your
> >logos mimic their trademarked ones too closely.
> >--
> >IWCCCARS Project Coordinator
> >Racer's Choice Web Directory Editor
> >Hawaii Racer ID: IWCCCARS
> I have to agree with you entirely, (sorry Tim) but, as already stated,
> if NASCAR didn't pursue their trademark rights, they'd lost them.
> Besides, ever think that with NASCAR 2 coming soon, and Hawaii being
> the prototype for the '13th NASCAR division' maybe they're a little
> pissed off 'cause Tim beat them to using NASSCAR? (I know its a
> longshot, but who knows? stranger things have happened!)
> I also hope NASCAR, Papyrus and Daytona officials get together (maybe
> even IMS?) so us modem racers can run a full season! (ha! yea, sure!)
> -John
> They're not bugs! They're random features!
strong belief that this is the main reason for Tim's series even being
found by the NASCAR lawyers. Don't be surprised if the logo NASSCAR is
soon copyrighted and used by NASCAR , "sometime in 1997"
James