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F1C: Much Better Now, But...

Haqsa

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Haqsa » Fri, 04 Jul 2003 11:09:53

Followed some of the suggestions around here and my F1C experience is going
much more smoothly now.  Definitely starting to like it better than F1 2002,
but, I have to say there really is a problem with the front wheels coming
off the ground, and it is not just graphical.  You can see it in the
telemetry, if you look at the "wheel sliding" screen you can see exactly
where the wheels stop spinning.  It probably shows up in the suspension
deflection screen too but I couldn't remember what sign convention they were
using so I didn't look at it.  Point being either the setups are wrong or
the suspension file is wrong or the hdv file is wrong, because in the real
cars the fronts don't come up quite that easily.

OTOH everything else feels so good now that I just played the damn thing for
three hours straight without realizing how much time had passed.  If you
haven't tried it yet, set "look ahead" and "head movement" to 100%.  These
two effects feel so incredibly natural and convey so much more information I
can't figure out how I ever got along without them.  Now I can actually see
the apex from the turn-in point even on tight hairpins like the Mercedes
section at Nurburgring.  Now I can sight my line into those fast sweepers a
fraction of a second sooner, enough to give me much more control.  Fantastic
effects, should be required in all driving games.

Redmis

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Redmis » Fri, 04 Jul 2003 14:23:33

I thought it would be really cool having look ahead and head movement - just
like GPL!  ....but for some reason, I can't really tell how the car's
behaving with them enabled so I've disabled them now. :-/
Jason Moy

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Jason Moy » Fri, 04 Jul 2003 19:19:59



Which tracks/corners are you seeing this happening at?

Jason

staf

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by staf » Fri, 04 Jul 2003 23:59:21

where did u do this?
in game or ?
Staf

Haqsa

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Haqsa » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 08:10:51

It was buried somewhere in the controller menu I think.  Maybe the digital
controller settings?


Haqsa

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Haqsa » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 08:21:44

I'm using the 2002 Ferrari at Nurburgring with the 2002 Europe setup.
Happens at the left hander that leads into the Ford curve, the Ford curve
itself, the RTL curve, and the Bit curve.  Basically all medium speed
curves.




> >Definitely starting to like it better than F1 2002,
> >but, I have to say there really is a problem with the front wheels coming
> >off the ground, and it is not just graphical.

> Which tracks/corners are you seeing this happening at?

> Jason

Jason Moy

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Jason Moy » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 09:29:15



I'll check that out.  Are you seeing this happen at any other tracks?
It should happen at Monaco at a few corners, but I can't think of
anywhere else where the inside front lifts that much.

Jason

Phaso

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Phaso » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:10:50




> >I'm using the 2002 Ferrari at Nurburgring with the 2002 Europe setup.
> >Happens at the left hander that leads into the Ford curve, the Ford curve
> >itself, the RTL curve, and the Bit curve.  Basically all medium speed
> >curves.

> I'll check that out.  Are you seeing this happen at any other tracks?
> It should happen at Monaco at a few corners, but I can't think of
> anywhere else where the inside front lifts that much.

> Jason

It happens a lot at Nurburg for me, but also at Road America (great track).
Thanks for the suggestion by someone here that it could be a slight bit of
brakes applied due to bad controller calibration, unfortunately it didn't
fix it for me.

    -Phasor

Redmis

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Redmis » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 12:02:32

I noticed it at the Nurburgring with the default setup.  Softening the rear
bars and dampers generally solves this problem.  It happens when the car's
weight is being supported by the inside rear wheel.  At the monaco hairpin
it'll still happen quite often - usually because it's advantageous to use
stiff bars at Monaco.  It doesn't really affect the car's handling since the
inside front is pretty much fully unloaded anyway.

Jason Moy

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Jason Moy » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 19:10:19


>I noticed it at the Nurburgring with the default setup.  Softening the rear
>bars and dampers generally solves this problem.  It happens when the car's
>weight is being supported by the inside rear wheel.  At the monaco hairpin
>it'll still happen quite often - usually because it's advantageous to use
>stiff bars at Monaco.  It doesn't really affect the car's handling since the
>inside front is pretty much fully unloaded anyway.

That's pretty cool actually, since the cars really do lift the inside
front at Monaco.

Jason

Haqsa

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Haqsa » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:43:40

That's not realistic.  Lifting the inside front does happen in real life
with a badly set up car (or in dirt track ovals where it is done
intentionally), but it's due to the front roll stiffness being much higher
than the rear.  The inside rear does not support the weight during a turn,
the weight shifts to the outside and the stiffer end supports most of the
weight.  Therefore an overly stiff FRONT end will cause the inside front to
lift.  That's the whole point of doing that, to unload the rears so you get
more traction.  If you can get rid of it by softening the rear then
something is definitely wrong.  Softening the fronts / stiffening the rears
should be the way to get rid of it.


Jason Moy

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Jason Moy » Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:26:41



It also happens at Mirabeau, but that's due to the elevation change
AFAIK.  

I'm not seeing inside tire lift in the sim still, but I'm starting to
wonder if I'm just not pushing hard enough.  I'm using a full stiff
front bar and a full soft rear bar too.

Jason

Haqsa

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Haqsa » Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:30:47

Or maybe you are just driving more smoothly than we are.  ;o)


Redmis

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Redmis » Tue, 08 Jul 2003 11:00:05

It might also be a side effect of trail braking deep into the corner?  I
find I have to come off the brakes earlier in F1C.

Jason Moy

F1C: Much Better Now, But...

by Jason Moy » Tue, 08 Jul 2003 11:30:24


>It might also be a side effect of trail braking deep into the corner?  I
>find I have to come off the brakes earlier in F1C.

Maybe.  I also am using much less wheel lock now, I knocked it down to
13 and since i'm not adjusting my braking points I have to trailbrake
instead of relying on the steering to scrub off speed.

Jason


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