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by **Anonymou** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

What a total blast. Too funny. Anyone have a good setup for the
Brabham F2???? I haven't gotten into setups so not sure what all to
strengthen. I tried to make everything as high & hard as possible but
was constantly bottoming out. BTW, and I'm sure this has been done,
if you get at one end of pit road and reverse up the banking & then
accellerate thru the pits you can catch some pretty good air up the
other side. :-) Got nailed by the s/f line a couple of times. :-).
Any chance that a larger one could be made? Also wondering, I've
heard of a track that used to exist in Germany that was an oval with
95 degree banked turns. Any chance of a re-create on that one? :-)

Steve-S

PS. Thansk GPLEA. Tons of fun. :-)

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by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

95 degree? Ouch... don't forget to wear your helmet when you drive on
that 95 degree banking :)

Andre

by **Phil Flac** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

> What a total blast. Too funny. Anyone have a good setup for the
> Brabham F2???? I haven't gotten into setups so not sure what all to
> strengthen. I tried to make everything as high & hard as possible but
> was constantly bottoming out. BTW, and I'm sure this has been done,
> if you get at one end of pit road and reverse up the banking & then
> accellerate thru the pits you can catch some pretty good air up the
> other side. :-) Got nailed by the s/f line a couple of times. :-).
> Any chance that a larger one could be made? Also wondering, I've
> heard of a track that used to exist in Germany that was an oval with
> 95 degree banked turns. Any chance of a re-create on that one? :-)

95 degree?!?!? that's like - upside down, innit?

Not possible in GPL :-(

Phil

by **Joachim Blu** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Hi Phil!

Right, that's a slight overhang. Are you sure that it's not possible? If so, what a pity! Bye, bye looping :((!

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by **Kevin Gavit** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

I'm pretty sure the track you're thinking of is the old Avus track. It was
an "oval" consisting of a twelve mile stretch of divided highway with a
hairpin turnabout at one end and a massive banked turn at the other.

There was NO wall or rail at the top of the track. Jean Behra died going
over the top of it.

For all practical purposes it died during WWII, the highway that it was
based on stretched across the east\west border, and good ridence to it.

It certainly wasn't 95 degrees, and I don't have a reference at hand, but it
was almost surely the most massive banking ever built.

by **Gaul** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

> I'm pretty sure the track you're thinking of is the old Avus track. It was
> an "oval" consisting of a twelve mile stretch of divided highway with a
> hairpin turnabout at one end and a massive banked turn at the other.

> There was NO wall or rail at the top of the track. Jean Behra died going
> over the top of it.

> For all practical purposes it died during WWII, the highway that it was
> based on stretched across the east\west border, and good ridence to it.

> It certainly wasn't 95 degrees, and I don't have a reference at hand, but
it
> was almost surely the most massive banking ever built.

Any idea if the banking still exists or has it been torn down? Are there
any pictures online of the course?

Thanks

by **Steve Sarll** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

I think the idea was to prevent cars from going of the top of the
banking like you can do at Pants Ring. The story, as I heard it, is
that the European teams were constantly challenging the American teams
but none would accept. European cars were built for the standing
start whereas the American Indy cars were made for a rolling start and
took awhile to get up to speed. Eventualy a team accepted, don't
remember who, and then the Europeans wouldn't show, supposedly, untill
finally Ferrari accepted. Both teams showed at the track and they
executed the standard 'run to your car, start it and drive off' start
so common in those days in Europe. The Ferrari's roared away and had
a lap or so lead in no time. Just as the crowd was convinced the
Americans had bit off more than they could chew they noticed all 5
American cars in a line drafting thru the corner completely up on the
pure vertical part of the banking. As they were doing about 25mph or
so faster they easily caught the Ferraris and won the race. I don't
recall if this was post or pre WWII. Probably post I'd think. Sure
would like to know how much is fact & what the track was.

Steve-S

Makes a good story either way. Does beg for a better story teller
though. :-)

On Tue, 16 May 2000 16:02:38 +0200, "Joachim Blum"

>Hi Phil!

>> 95 degree?!?!? that's like - upside down, innit?
>> Not possible in GPL :-(

>Right, that's a slight overhang. Are you sure that it's not possible? If so, what a pity! Bye, bye looping :((!

>Regards
>Crash

by **Steve Sarll** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Then I guess my re-count of the race was probalby innacurate as
well. :-)

Steve-S

On Tue, 16 May 2000 15:15:00 GMT, "Kevin Gavitt"

>> What a total blast. Too funny. Anyone have a good setup for the
>> Brabham F2???? I haven't gotten into setups so not sure what all to
>> strengthen. I tried to make everything as high & hard as possible but
>> was constantly bottoming out. BTW, and I'm sure this has been done,
>> if you get at one end of pit road and reverse up the banking & then
>> accellerate thru the pits you can catch some pretty good air up the
>> other side. :-) Got nailed by the s/f line a couple of times. :-).
>> Any chance that a larger one could be made? Also wondering, I've
>> heard of a track that used to exist in Germany that was an oval with
>> 95 degree banked turns. Any chance of a re-create on that one? :-)

>> Steve-S

>> PS. Thansk GPLEA. Tons of fun. :-)

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>I'm pretty sure the track you're thinking of is the old Avus track. It was
>an "oval" consisting of a twelve mile stretch of divided highway with a
>hairpin turnabout at one end and a massive banked turn at the other.

>There was NO wall or rail at the top of the track. Jean Behra died going
>over the top of it.

>For all practical purposes it died during WWII, the highway that it was
>based on stretched across the east\west border, and good ridence to it.

>It certainly wasn't 95 degrees, and I don't have a reference at hand, but it
>was almost surely the most massive banking ever built.

by **Kevin Gavit** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

You are thinking of the "Race of Two Worlds" which was held twice in the mid
50's.
It didn't go down quite the way have heard it though.

With regards to the "95 degree" banking, the track used was the oval at
Monza. No past vertical banking.

by **Kevin Gavit** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

> > I'm pretty sure the track you're thinking of is the old Avus track. It
was
> > an "oval" consisting of a twelve mile stretch of divided highway with a
> > hairpin turnabout at one end and a massive banked turn at the other.

> > There was NO wall or rail at the top of the track. Jean Behra died going
> > over the top of it.

> > For all practical purposes it died during WWII, the highway that it was
> > based on stretched across the east\west border, and good ridence to it.

> > It certainly wasn't 95 degrees, and I don't have a reference at hand,
but
> it
> > was almost surely the most massive banking ever built.

> Any idea if the banking still exists or has it been torn down? Are there
> any pictures online of the course?

> Thanks

I can't find any pictures on the web. If your library has Nigel Roebuck's
"Grand Prix Greats" I know there is one little picture of the banking in the
chapter on Jean Behra.

I did find a couple of text references. The banking is listed as 43 degrees.
I've also found one source that claims there was indeed a concrete wall at
the top similar to a modern oval, but the pictures I've seen don't show it,
and it sure didn't stop the odd car from popping over the top.

As for whether the banking still exists I havn't been able to find out. I
know it still existed some years ago. I know they race on somthing they call
AVUS since the fall of the Berlin wall but believe it is a similar but
different course.

Anyone out there in Berlin who can supply some more info on this?

by **Gaul** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

> > > I'm pretty sure the track you're thinking of is the old Avus track. It
> was
> > > an "oval" consisting of a twelve mile stretch of divided highway with
a
> > > hairpin turnabout at one end and a massive banked turn at the other.

> > > There was NO wall or rail at the top of the track. Jean Behra died
going
> > > over the top of it.

> > > For all practical purposes it died during WWII, the highway that it
was
> > > based on stretched across the east\west border, and good ridence to
it.

> > > It certainly wasn't 95 degrees, and I don't have a reference at hand,
> but
> > it
> > > was almost surely the most massive banking ever built.

> > Any idea if the banking still exists or has it been torn down? Are
there
> > any pictures online of the course?

> > Thanks

> I can't find any pictures on the web. If your library has Nigel Roebuck's
> "Grand Prix Greats" I know there is one little picture of the banking in
the
> chapter on Jean Behra.

> I did find a couple of text references. The banking is listed as 43
degrees.
> I've also found one source that claims there was indeed a concrete wall at
> the top similar to a modern oval, but the pictures I've seen don't show
it,
> and it sure didn't stop the odd car from popping over the top.

> As for whether the banking still exists I havn't been able to find out. I
> know it still existed some years ago. I know they race on somthing they
call
> AVUS since the fall of the Berlin wall but believe it is a similar but
> different course.

> Anyone out there in Berlin who can supply some more info on this?

Thanks for the information. I'm writing up a list of things to see when I
finally get over to Germany and this might be worth looking into when I get
to Berlin.

by **Greger Hut** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

>> What a total blast. Too funny. Anyone have a good setup for the
>> Brabham F2???? I haven't gotten into setups so not sure what all to
>> strengthen. I tried to make everything as high & hard as possible but
>> was constantly bottoming out. BTW, and I'm sure this has been done,
>> if you get at one end of pit road and reverse up the banking & then
>> accellerate thru the pits you can catch some pretty good air up the
>> other side. :-) Got nailed by the s/f line a couple of times. :-).
>> Any chance that a larger one could be made? Also wondering, I've
>> heard of a track that used to exist in Germany that was an oval with
>> 95 degree banked turns. Any chance of a re-create on that one? :-)

>95 degree?!?!? that's like - upside down, innit?

>Not possible in GPL :-(

How do you know? :)

-- Greger

by **Ian Hil** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

I'm not in Berlin, but I believe I can supply some information.

The original Avus, in 1921, was a total of 12.16 miles long; the Sdkurve
was a hairpin, and the Nordkurve was a slightly banked corner.
In 1937 the fearsome 43-degree banked North Curve was built; this
slightly reduced the circuit length to 11.98 miles.
After the end of the 2nd World War, the southern end of the circuit ran
into Soviet-held territory, so a new South Curve was built, halving the
circuit length to 5.157 miles. This configuration was first used in 1951.
The "Wall of Death" banking was dismantled in 1967, reducing the length
slightly to 5.039 miles.
Between 1989 and 1991 a further reduced circuit of 3.032 miles was used.
Since 1992 it has been further cut to a mere 1.640 miles; it hosts German
Touring Car and F3 races.

(Taken from the Guinness Guide to International Motor Racing by Peter
Higham)

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by **Phil Flac** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Boring answer...

The laterals which are parallel lines surrounding the entire track can
be at varying heights, thus the greatest angle you can get is
89.9999999999 degrees. Add a wall and you can have 90degrees exactly (a
la Pants Ring).

Slightly more interesting answer...

If you have faaaaar too much free time, you could create an entire track
with >90 degree 'banking', by creating a trackside object with the
appropriate collision volume. Theoretically you could also have a
complete loop-the-loop track, or a tunnel where you can drive on the
roof, but it's all theoretical I believe...

Pants

> >> What a total blast. Too funny. Anyone have a good setup for the
> >> Brabham F2???? I haven't gotten into setups so not sure what all to
> >> strengthen. I tried to make everything as high & hard as possible but
> >> was constantly bottoming out. BTW, and I'm sure this has been done,
> >> if you get at one end of pit road and reverse up the banking & then
> >> accellerate thru the pits you can catch some pretty good air up the
> >> other side. :-) Got nailed by the s/f line a couple of times. :-).
> >> Any chance that a larger one could be made? Also wondering, I've
> >> heard of a track that used to exist in Germany that was an oval with
> >> 95 degree banked turns. Any chance of a re-create on that one? :-)

> >95 degree?!?!? that's like - upside down, innit?

> >Not possible in GPL :-(

> How do you know? :)

> -- Greger

by **Chuck Kandle** » Thu, 18 May 2000 04:00:00

> Then I guess my re-count of the race was probalby innacurate as
> well. :-)

But highly entertaining nonetheless. :-)

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