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GPL: Pants Ring

Steve Sarll

GPL: Pants Ring

by Steve Sarll » Thu, 18 May 2000 04:00:00




>>   Then I guess my re-count of the race was probalby innacurate as
>> well.  :-)

>But highly entertaining nonetheless.  :-)

I wonder if that was my dads reason for telling it to me in that
fashion.  I was rather young at the time.  And it was a very
entertaining story that I had many great daydreams about.  :-).  Just
the image of 5 60's era (that's when he told me the story so...) Indy
cars screaming around a 90 degree bank all in a line is rather
invigorating.  Sigh,  Reality can really suck some times. :-)

Steve-S

Kirk Lan

GPL: Pants Ring

by Kirk Lan » Thu, 18 May 2000 04:00:00

95 degree banks????  Then you're partway to running upside down!!!!!

Hint:  Go get Alison Hine's GPL Race Engineer.  It lets you 'cheat' a little
and go with stiffer springs than you can do in the game seutp menu.  Once I
set my Eagle F1 up with 300 lb/in springs front, 400 lb/in rear and roll
bars and all of that it works great.  Otherwise you'll bottom all of the
time and spin.

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Michael Sisso

GPL: Pants Ring

by Michael Sisso » Thu, 18 May 2000 04:00:00



> > I'm pretty sure the track you're thinking of is the old Avus track. It
was
> > an "oval" consisting of a twelve mile stretch of divided highway with a
> > hairpin turnabout at one end and a massive banked turn at the other.

> > There was NO wall or rail at the top of the track. Jean Behra died going
> > over the top of it.

> > For all practical purposes it died during WWII, the highway that it was
> > based on stretched across the east\west border, and good ridence to it.

> > It certainly wasn't 95 degrees, and I don't have a reference at hand,
but
> it
> > was almost surely the most massive banking ever built.

> Any idea if the banking still exists or has it been torn down?  Are there
> any pictures online of the course?

> Thanks

http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/

Not much under the Avus links tho. One pic of the track layout.

MRSisson

Doug Millike

GPL: Pants Ring

by Doug Millike » Sat, 20 May 2000 04:00:00

I've seen pictures of a vertical (or very nearly so) banking at the
Mercedes-Benz Proving Ground.  Not sure what part of Germany this is in.  I
don't think that they race on it, but the pic I saw did have a car up there
on the wall.




> > As for whether the banking still exists I havn't been able to find out. I
> > know it still existed some years ago. I know they race on somthing they
> call
> > AVUS since the fall of the Berlin wall but believe it is a similar but
> > different course.

> > Anyone out there in Berlin who can supply some more info on this?

> I'm not in Berlin, but I believe I can supply some information.

> The original Avus, in 1921, was a total of 12.16 miles long; the Sdkurve
> was a hairpin, and the Nordkurve was a slightly banked corner.
>     In 1937 the fearsome 43-degree banked North Curve was built; this
> slightly reduced the circuit length to 11.98 miles.
>     After the end of the 2nd World War, the southern end of the circuit ran
> into Soviet-held territory, so a new South Curve was built, halving the
> circuit length to 5.157 miles. This configuration was first used in 1951.
>     The "Wall of Death" banking was dismantled in 1967, reducing the length
> slightly to 5.039 miles.
>     Between 1989 and 1991 a further reduced circuit of 3.032 miles was used.
> Since 1992 it has been further cut to a mere 1.640 miles; it hosts German
> Touring Car and F3 races.

> (Taken from the Guinness Guide to International Motor Racing by Peter
> Higham)

> regards
> --

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Wolfgang Preis

GPL: Pants Ring

by Wolfgang Preis » Sat, 20 May 2000 04:00:00


>I've seen pictures of a vertical (or very nearly so) banking at the
>Mercedes-Benz Proving Ground.  Not sure what part of Germany this is in.  I
>don't think that they race on it, but the pic I saw did have a car up there
>on the wall.

This proving ground is somewhere near Stuttgart, where the Mercedes
cars are made. (For the geography-impaired: Stuttgart is in southern
Germany, a few hundred kilometers southwest of Berlin.) AFAIK, it has
never been used for racing. As the name suggests, it is a proving
ground for new vehicles. The banking is such that you don't have to
steer to get through the corners - no sports appeal since you can go
as fast as you want to without having to have special driving skills.
A certain physical fitness is required, though, to withstand the
g-forces, I assume. ;)

[AVUS]

IIRC, the AVUS has been discontinued as a racetrack last year. The
problem was that the track is also a part of Berlin's Autobahn system.
Closing it down for races had the same effect on traffic as closing
down parts of Washington's capital beltway or Paris' peripherique
would have...

AFAIK, the only extant racetrack with considerably banked corners in
Germany today is the brand new Lausitzring tri-oval. The track owners
are trying to get a contract for an overseas CART or IRL (or however
the series is called these days - INLRS or some such?) race.

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