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N4 - Slow Speed

Ares

N4 - Slow Speed

by Ares » Tue, 08 May 2001 10:49:41

Guys,

When racing at Daytona I can only clock about a 172 mph lap.
The AI cars get 190's and I can't see what I'm doing wrong.
I've downloaded lots of setup's with pretty much the same results.

I know Daytona runs restrictor plates but shouldn't that also limit the AI
cars ?

It's driving me nuts!!!

Thanks for any help
Ares

Don Burnett

N4 - Slow Speed

by Don Burnett » Tue, 08 May 2001 10:53:08

Sounds pretty slow. You sure you have all driving aids off?  What kind of
speed are you seeing down the end of the straights and the middle of the
turns without the draft?
Also might try recalibrating your wheel and pedals as well.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.


Ares

N4 - Slow Speed

by Ares » Tue, 08 May 2001 11:36:01

Don,

All aids are off.
I'm getting about 174 mph at the end of the straights, 170 mph in the turns.
The car is very easy to drive in the turns because I'm not entering them
with enough speed. There isn't a hint of tyre squeel as well.
As an example I'm getting 187's at Atlanta so I'm not that far off the fast
guys.
I've recalibrated several times.

Thanks
Ares


> Sounds pretty slow. You sure you have all driving aids off?  What kind of
> speed are you seeing down the end of the straights and the middle of the
> turns without the draft?
> Also might try recalibrating your wheel and pedals as well.

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.



> > Guys,

> > When racing at Daytona I can only clock about a 172 mph lap.
> > The AI cars get 190's and I can't see what I'm doing wrong.
> > I've downloaded lots of setup's with pretty much the same results.

> > I know Daytona runs restrictor plates but shouldn't that also limit the
AI
> > cars ?

> > It's driving me nuts!!!

> > Thanks for any help
> > Ares

Dave Henri

N4 - Slow Speed

by Dave Henri » Tue, 08 May 2001 11:39:59

try SHORT-calibrating...put something like a paperback or anything else that
will block the pedal reaching to the bottom of it's travel.  Then AFTER
calibrating, remove the book and your pedal will have it's full travel .
But the sim will think your fully depressed.
dave henrie

> Don,

> All aids are off.
> I'm getting about 174 mph at the end of the straights, 170 mph in the
turns.
> The car is very easy to drive in the turns because I'm not entering them
> with enough speed. There isn't a hint of tyre squeel as well.
> As an example I'm getting 187's at Atlanta so I'm not that far off the
fast
> guys.
> I've recalibrated several times.

> Thanks
> Ares



> > Sounds pretty slow. You sure you have all driving aids off?  What kind
of
> > speed are you seeing down the end of the straights and the middle of the
> > turns without the draft?
> > Also might try recalibrating your wheel and pedals as well.

> > --
> > Don Burnette
> > D Burnette in N4

> > Some people do nothing wrong.
> > The problem is, they do nothing.
> > And THAT is wrong.



> > > Guys,

> > > When racing at Daytona I can only clock about a 172 mph lap.
> > > The AI cars get 190's and I can't see what I'm doing wrong.
> > > I've downloaded lots of setup's with pretty much the same results.

> > > I know Daytona runs restrictor plates but shouldn't that also limit
the
> AI
> > > cars ?

> > > It's driving me nuts!!!

> > > Thanks for any help
> > > Ares

pw

N4 - Slow Speed

by pw » Tue, 08 May 2001 12:38:38

Aren't you clever, Dave!

-pw

Ares

N4 - Slow Speed

by Ares » Tue, 08 May 2001 12:57:17

He sure is !!!

I tried it and woohoo !!! I actually hit 195 at the end of the straight and
184's in the turns. Best lap is now 190 mph up from 172. Woohoo!!!!!

Dave you legend!!!

Thanks guys !!!

Very grateful Ares


Tom Pabs

N4 - Slow Speed

by Tom Pabs » Tue, 08 May 2001 13:34:41

Dave...

This is **not** actually a very good solution to those who don't seem to get
full throttle (although its better than doing nothing...but only slightly
better).  There's better solutions and no "error or problems" introduced
with them.....as there is with the short calibration method you described
(surely, stolen from us TEN drivers who invented that in N2 on TEN....a few
years back! ....lol....).

The problem of "less than full throttle".....for many is not really from the
calibration....but from the DX 8.0 deadzone (default setting to 5% for both
steering and throttle/brake).  Eliminating the DX deadzone generally solves
the problem.....and allows full resolution calibration which allows you to
fully modulate the throttle during braking/trail braking/ and throttling up
out of the corners on a road course.  Most people who short calibrate their
throttles.....end up substantially slower on the roads!  This is primarily
due to increase wheel spin on the turn exits.

Additionally, if your "controller" has the capability of customizing the
slope and resolution for each axis (as do all Thrustmaster wheels)....then
you can accomplish something far better.....with that program.  You can also
set slope and resolution to get full throttle.....wider throttle
resolution....and do the same (but opposite) for the brake....virtually
eliminating brake lockups!  How many of you guys are having brake lockup
problems on the road courses?  If you are running Thrustmaster race
controllers (the NASCAR Pro Digital-2 wheel being the best of the lot, in my
opinion)....you should almost never lock up your brakes on the road
courses.....period!

Just my "two cents"......

Tom Pabst
Pabst-Racing.com

Slic

N4 - Slow Speed

by Slic » Tue, 08 May 2001 21:15:13

How do you eliminate the DX deadzone?

--

Oliver


Eldre

N4 - Slow Speed

by Eldre » Wed, 09 May 2001 06:54:42



>Additionally, if your "controller" has the capability of customizing the
>slope and resolution for each axis (as do all Thrustmaster wheels)....then
>you can accomplish something far better.....with that program.  You can also
>set slope and resolution to get full throttle.....wider throttle
>resolution....and do the same (but opposite) for the brake....virtually
>eliminating brake lockups!  How many of you guys are having brake lockup
>problems on the road courses?  If you are running Thrustmaster race
>controllers (the NASCAR Pro Digital-2 wheel being the best of the lot, in my
>opinion)....you should almost never lock up your brakes on the road
>courses.....period!

What about the TSW?  Although I mainly drive GPL, I lock up the brakes all the
time...  It seems to either be lockup, or no brakes, with no in-between.

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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Tom Pabs

N4 - Slow Speed

by Tom Pabs » Wed, 09 May 2001 07:48:48

Slick.....its a program called "DXTweak"....available at hundreds of sim
racing utility sites.

Tom

Tom Pabs

N4 - Slow Speed

by Tom Pabs » Wed, 09 May 2001 07:51:03

Eldred....

Man...sounds like you have a calibration  problem with your wheel....or a
pot going bad even?  I don't know for sure that TSW has a "resolution and
slope" calibrating "tweak" program.  I am not aware of it....at least.  Bug
them for one......but maybe it can't be produced for a non-USB
controller......??  Which, is another reason to discard your analogue
controllers in favor of digital USB.

Tom

Tim

N4 - Slow Speed

by Tim » Wed, 09 May 2001 09:22:39

Make sure you loaded 58+ PSIs


Slic

N4 - Slow Speed

by Slic » Wed, 09 May 2001 21:14:21

Thanks Tom....

--

Oliver


Eldre

N4 - Slow Speed

by Eldre » Thu, 10 May 2001 06:31:40



>Eldred....

>Man...sounds like you have a calibration  problem with your wheel....or a
>pot going bad even?  I don't know for sure that TSW has a "resolution and
>slope" calibrating "tweak" program.  I am not aware of it....at least.  Bug
>them for one......but maybe it can't be produced for a non-USB
>controller......??  Which, is another reason to discard your analogue
>controllers in favor of digital USB.

Who knows?  I think I *do* need to change the steering pot, and I've already
changed the one for the gas.  I don't even remember WHEN the brakes started
acting like this.  Someone who had seen one of my replays brought it to my
attention that I was locking up so much.  I hadn't noticed.<sigh>
Besides, at the time I bought the TSW, I didn't have USB, and was still running
win95 anyway.  I can't see myself just chucking a $350 wheel now for USB...

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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