rec.autos.simulators

by **Mike Beaucham** » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:22:48

Or Jean Alesi spun out and took a car with him :) yeah, i'm stupid..

Mike
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> So, an AI car decided to follow the person while he turns around to take a
> screenshot?

> Mike
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:50:26 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp"

> > >Yeah, I understand that now.. but I still don't understand why the car
in
> > >the rear view mirror is pointing the opposite direction as the field..

> > Well, try and understand why the players car is facing the wrong way,
> > and apply the same logic to the car in the mirror.

> > There, wasn`t so hard was it?

> > /
> > .mitch -
> > \

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:52:32

Remember Mike, My teachers said there is no such thing as a stupid
question....(!!)
What you are seeing is carried over from at least F1 2001. Even If you
are more 90 degrees sideways you will still see the cars behind you as if
you were pointed correctly down the track.(provided the car is within your
rear field of view which seems to be defined NOT by the orientation of the
car but rather it's place on the track)
Consider it a flaw or perhaps just a hack to keep frame rates up. If I
remember correctly, ICR2 didn't really display a real rearview in the
mirrors, they just had about a thousand car bitmap files that could
approximate on the mirror where the cars behind you were.
I think it was DGF who found that in N2002, if you turned your car 180
degrees and faced the wrong way on a track, you could still only see a short
distance, just like the view in the mirror fades out quickly...You could see
for a mile or more facing to the front, but the rear view even when facing
backwards was much shorter.
Anyhow back to your picture.....if you are trying to re-enter the track
after looping the car into the kitty litter, are you watching the track or
your mirrors?
:)
dave henrie

by **Gerry Aitke** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:28:28

> On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:43:58 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp"

> >Hey all,
> >There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :)
> >So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002?

> >Thanks guys!

> Only you can decide that. Buy it from EB and if you don't like it take
> it back and exchange it for something else. EB only gives one exchange
> on returns now and no refund.

They give me refunds here in the UK.

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:44:21

> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:28:28 +0100, Gerry Aitken

> >They give me refunds here in the UK.

> They changed their policy here a few months back. I'm surprised they
> haven't done the same there. I will be bringing it to the attention of
> EB head office. How dare they treat one demopgraphic group as
> dishonest thieves and not the other. :-)

That's right, you should march in there and DEMAND to be arrested on the
spot...lousy stinking consumer thief Baggins...(oops) After all if you
hadn't stolen the money in the first place the corporation would already
have it right? lol.......!!
dave henrie

by **Gerry Aitke** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:35:17

> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:28:28 +0100, Gerry Aitken

> >They give me refunds here in the UK.

> They changed their policy here a few months back. I'm surprised they
> haven't done the same there. I will be bringing it to the attention of
> EB head office. How dare they treat one demopgraphic group as
> dishonest thieves and not the other. :-)

Hehe :). The thing is, I don't really care what there policy is as I'm
protected by my consumer rights. I reject things if they are not up to
scratch. I may buy GP4 just so I can take it back and complain about it.
<G>

Gerry

by **mitc** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:45:55

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:38:55 -0400, Sebastion Melmoth

>On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:28:28 +0100, Gerry Aitken

>>They give me refunds here in the UK.

>They changed their policy here a few months back. I'm surprised they
>haven't done the same there. I will be bringing it to the attention of
>EB head office. How dare they treat one demopgraphic group as
>dishonest thieves and not the other. :-)

They are the same company in name only - the original EB only own 20
percent of the "EB" in the UK.

/
.mitch -
\

by JM » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 05:53:13

And so we go back to Crammond, does anyone else remember "Revs"?
In that game, if you drove the wrong way round the track (against traffic)
you'd still be looking at the gearboxes of the other cars, as they came
round, not their noses.

John

by JM » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 05:56:11

>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:43:58 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp"

>> >Hey all,
>> >There's a lot of talk about GP4 in here, as well as a lot of sarcasm :)
>> >So, plain and simple.. should I be getting GP4 or stick with F12002?

>> >Thanks guys!

>> Only you can decide that. Buy it from EB and if you don't like it take
>> it back and exchange it for something else. EB only gives one exchange
>> on returns now and no refund.

> They give me refunds here in the UK.

The EB in the UK is not the same EB as that in the US. US EB sold UK EB to
GAME some time ago. So UK EB has really been GAME, and now all the UK EB
stores are being refitted as GAME stores, or closed (delete as applicable).

cheers
John

by **Uncle Feste** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:48:41

> Only you can decide that. Buy it from EB and if you don't like it take
> it back and exchange it for something else. EB only gives one exchange
> on returns now and no refund.

EB gives refunds in Detroit, MI. Where you at??

--

Fester

by **Mike Beaucham** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:01:34

I'm right across the Ambassador!!
Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com

> > Only you can decide that. Buy it from EB and if you don't like it take
> > it back and exchange it for something else. EB only gives one exchange
> > on returns now and no refund.

> EB gives refunds in Detroit, MI. Where you at??

> --

> Fester

by **Graham Trigg** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:34:59

To be fair, REVS wasn't running on the most powerful of machines, was it?

Yes, more could possibly have been done - but it would have taken more
memory / processor power - which was probably already dedicated to actually
making the game possible!!

by **Graham Trigg** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:40:15

applicable).

As I recall, it was the other way round...

UK EB was effectively a franchise... it was paying US EB for the right to
use the name, but was otherwise a separate company... UK EB bought out
GAME... they then decided they wanted to drop the EB tag, so as to avoid
paying US EB... as UK EB already owned GAME, and GAME was still an operating
trade name, they have been in the process of rebranding everything to
GAME...

by **John Metco** » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:11:09

hi tony
are you racing T-cam view ?
yet the mirrors are useful to you...hmmm

I kinda of like that since T-cam view
gives a good compromise to 2D monitor screen
for the 3D sense of play

I used to use the "lookback" view in F1 2000
which on second pressing returns me to the
previous view but not in GP4
It is not very intuitive to use.

message

> > I was just looking at this screenshot:

http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/reviews/pc/ju
n02/gp4_082.html

by JM » Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:15:33

>> And so we go back to Crammond, does anyone else remember "Revs"?
>> In that game, if you drove the wrong way round the track (against
>> traffic) you'd still be looking at the gearboxes of the other cars,
>> as they came round, not their noses.

> To be fair, REVS wasn't running on the most powerful of machines, was
> it?

To be fair, F1 2002 *is* running on the most powerful of machines :D
Cheers for missing the point entirely ;o)

John

by **Tony Rickar** » Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:02:58

> hi tony
> are you racing T-cam view ?
> yet the mirrors are useful to you...hmmm

No I am using the***pit view. I just noticed the mirrors looked more
useful with T-Cam view and cars only during a replay.

I guess from your comment they are not!

Cheers

Tony

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