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Track.ini?

ZZ

Track.ini?

by ZZ » Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:03:11

Ok, I lost the postings about how to edit the track.ini's to remove the left
front tire from overheating.
I'm starting to run in a new TPTCC league and we need to know how to edit
the .ini's.
Can someone reeducate me/us?

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Haqsa

Track.ini?

by Haqsa » Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:24:07

There is some stuff in the online FAQ for the TPTCC mod that might work.
Haven't actually verified it myself.


Larr

Track.ini?

by Larr » Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:54:51

I've noticed severe locking up of the left front at several road courses
(including Sebring and nose-ring).  Is this related ?

-Larry


Eldre

Track.ini?

by Eldre » Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:15:52


>I've noticed severe locking up of the left front at several road courses
>(including Sebring and nose-ring).  Is this related ?

Hmm...I had that at Sebring as well.  Made me not want to run there...

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Steve Smit

Track.ini?

by Steve Smit » Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:54:51

That's what BB & weightjacking are for!  <VBG>



> >I've noticed severe locking up of the left front at several road courses
> >(including Sebring and nose-ring).  Is this related ?

> Hmm...I had that at Sebring as well.  Made me not want to run there...

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Joachim Trens

Track.ini?

by Joachim Trens » Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:23:31


> Ok, I lost the postings about how to edit the track.ini's to remove the left
> front tire from overheating.

You can find inis edited with the purpose of giving more credible tire
heat and wear results, and an explanation of the philosophy behind the
modifications, at http://users.skynet.be/AchimT/start.html (look in the
bottom left hand corner) for many tracks.

However, there's this particular overheat issue on some road courses
with the RF tire, and I'm not sure there's a real cure for this at all.

The above mentioned track.inis will cure this to an extent, but they
cannot really remove the cause for the problem, as I think it's
hardcoded, a consequence of N2k3 originally having been made for ovals.

I've experimented a lot with all sorts of parameters in the inis, and
I've found ways to get the right and left hand tires to heat up evenly,
but at the cost of a very ugly-to-drive car. I haven't fully tested
everything out yet in that direction, but I have a feeling the cause is
hardcoded in the exe, really.

Achim

Steve Smit

Track.ini?

by Steve Smit » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:51:01

Thx, Achim!  Interesting.  Provocative.  Now if only we had a Bernie
Ecclestone/FIA to enforce the *preferred* track.ini's online....



> > Ok, I lost the postings about how to edit the track.ini's to remove the
left
> > front tire from overheating.

> You can find inis edited with the purpose of giving more credible tire
> heat and wear results, and an explanation of the philosophy behind the
> modifications, at http://users.skynet.be/AchimT/start.html (look in the
> bottom left hand corner) for many tracks.

> However, there's this particular overheat issue on some road courses
> with the RF tire, and I'm not sure there's a real cure for this at all.

> The above mentioned track.inis will cure this to an extent, but they
> cannot really remove the cause for the problem, as I think it's
> hardcoded, a consequence of N2k3 originally having been made for ovals.

> I've experimented a lot with all sorts of parameters in the inis, and
> I've found ways to get the right and left hand tires to heat up evenly,
> but at the cost of a very ugly-to-drive car. I haven't fully tested
> everything out yet in that direction, but I have a feeling the cause is
> hardcoded in the exe, really.

> Achim

Larr

Track.ini?

by Larr » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 03:24:30

Those items are impounded in our races :)

-Larry


Mitch_

Track.ini?

by Mitch_ » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 03:29:32

Whaddyamean online.  I'd assumed none of this mattered online?  You mean
guys can adjust there own track grip and go online and have THAT grip?
HMMMMM.

OK gimme the grip too :)  Seriously...

Mitch


> Thx, Achim!  Interesting.  Provocative.  Now if only we had a Bernie
> Ecclestone/FIA to enforce the *preferred* track.ini's online....




> > > Ok, I lost the postings about how to edit the track.ini's to remove
the
> left
> > > front tire from overheating.

> > You can find inis edited with the purpose of giving more credible tire
> > heat and wear results, and an explanation of the philosophy behind the
> > modifications, at http://users.skynet.be/AchimT/start.html (look in the
> > bottom left hand corner) for many tracks.

> > However, there's this particular overheat issue on some road courses
> > with the RF tire, and I'm not sure there's a real cure for this at all.

> > The above mentioned track.inis will cure this to an extent, but they
> > cannot really remove the cause for the problem, as I think it's
> > hardcoded, a consequence of N2k3 originally having been made for ovals.

> > I've experimented a lot with all sorts of parameters in the inis, and
> > I've found ways to get the right and left hand tires to heat up evenly,
> > but at the cost of a very ugly-to-drive car. I haven't fully tested
> > everything out yet in that direction, but I have a feeling the cause is
> > hardcoded in the exe, really.

> > Achim

Joachim Trens

Track.ini?

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 03:46:19


> Whaddyamean online.  I'd assumed none of this mattered online?  You mean
> guys can adjust there own track grip and go online and have THAT grip?
> HMMMMM.

> OK gimme the grip too :)  Seriously...

No, that's not what it means. Online the server's ini determines the
parameters used for all clients. It doesn't matter which values the
client's track.ini contains.

As for what these settings do, please go to the site I mentioned and
read the explanation, so you'll know the reasons for doing this and the
goals. Because, the grip is - on purpose and for a good reason - never
modified. It's all explained at that site.

If I _would_ touch the grip, then I would only _lower_ it on many of the
new tracks because most of the new trackmakers use far too high grip
values, depriving the physics of a lot of their beauty, to the extent
where it has negative side effects on the car's behaviour.

The modifications I make are exclusively to tire heat, wear and grip
loss over the race distance.

Read the explanations, its all in there, and grip is never touched
anywhere. But as I said above, online, the server's ini decides all this
anyway. All clients have no choice, they get sent the values the server
has in its track.ini, and then these server's values apply to all clients.

Achim

Mitch_

Track.ini?

by Mitch_ » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 03:56:14

Ok thats on par with what I'd assumed :)  And the reason I hadnt paid it
much mind in the past.

Thx J

Mitch


> No, that's not what it means. Online the server's ini determines the
> parameters used for all clients. It doesn't matter which values the
> client's track.ini contains.

> As for what these settings do, please go to the site I mentioned and
> read the explanation, so you'll know the reasons for doing this and the
> goals. Because, the grip is - on purpose and for a good reason - never
> modified. It's all explained at that site.

> If I _would_ touch the grip, then I would only _lower_ it on many of the
> new tracks because most of the new trackmakers use far too high grip
> values, depriving the physics of a lot of their beauty, to the extent
> where it has negative side effects on the car's behaviour.

> The modifications I make are exclusively to tire heat, wear and grip
> loss over the race distance.

> Read the explanations, its all in there, and grip is never touched
> anywhere. But as I said above, online, the server's ini decides all this
> anyway. All clients have no choice, they get sent the values the server
> has in its track.ini, and then these server's values apply to all clients.

> Achim

Steve Smit

Track.ini?

by Steve Smit » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:52:35

No, as a client, you can't change the server's .ini, but there's no Supreme
Being (or whatever) to ensure that ALL servers are using the same .ini
values.  I'm sure Achim has put a lot of work and thought into the values on
his server, but I might not agree.


> Whaddyamean online.  I'd assumed none of this mattered online?  You mean
> guys can adjust there own track grip and go online and have THAT grip?
> HMMMMM.

> OK gimme the grip too :)  Seriously...

> Mitch



> > Thx, Achim!  Interesting.  Provocative.  Now if only we had a Bernie
> > Ecclestone/FIA to enforce the *preferred* track.ini's online....




> > > > Ok, I lost the postings about how to edit the track.ini's to remove
> the
> > left
> > > > front tire from overheating.

> > > You can find inis edited with the purpose of giving more credible tire
> > > heat and wear results, and an explanation of the philosophy behind the
> > > modifications, at http://users.skynet.be/AchimT/start.html (look in
the
> > > bottom left hand corner) for many tracks.

> > > However, there's this particular overheat issue on some road courses
> > > with the RF tire, and I'm not sure there's a real cure for this at
all.

> > > The above mentioned track.inis will cure this to an extent, but they
> > > cannot really remove the cause for the problem, as I think it's
> > > hardcoded, a consequence of N2k3 originally having been made for
ovals.

> > > I've experimented a lot with all sorts of parameters in the inis, and
> > > I've found ways to get the right and left hand tires to heat up
evenly,
> > > but at the cost of a very ugly-to-drive car. I haven't fully tested
> > > everything out yet in that direction, but I have a feeling the cause
is
> > > hardcoded in the exe, really.

> > > Achim

Eldre

Track.ini?

by Eldre » Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:10:43



>That's what BB & weightjacking are for!  <VBG>




>> >I've noticed severe locking up of the left front at several road courses
>> >(including Sebring and nose-ring).  Is this related ?

>> Hmm...I had that at Sebring as well.  Made me not want to run there...

I'll take your word for it.  I've been driving sims since Indy500 and GP1(don't
know which was first).  In all of the games I've owned(ICR 1 and 2, N1-2003,
GPL, etc), I have only been able to effect a positive change on a setup ONCE.
Every other think I've ever changed on a setup has always made it WORSE.  By
the time I got to N4(after failing in the past 14-16 games), I simply don't try
anymore.  Damn waste of time.  All I ever do now is change the steering ratio
or fuel level(if it's allowed).
I don't understand the setups, never have no matter what I tried.  I just
figured I never WILL...
I just have to hope I occasionally *luck* into downloading a setup for a
specific track that suits my style, 'cause *I* damn sure can't modify it.

Eldred
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