rec.autos.simulators

by **Marc Collin** » Sun, 21 Feb 1999 04:00:00

I would love to know what you think changed that would make a difference.
Were the DirectInput files changed...or do you think it might be something
else? Why did you go back--other problems or to address the shakes?

Thanks,

Marc.

>My R4 on an SB128 PCI is fine....

>I have had "the shakes" & I think I eliminated it by stepping back from
>DirectX 6.1 to Direct X 6.

>>Hi,

>>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the
>>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or
worse
>>when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the
steering
>>to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left.

>>Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling.

>>P2 - 450

>>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking
>>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking

>>These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but
>of
>>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of
>>controller / game port problems.

>>Thanks!

>>Marc.

>>--
>>**************************************************************************
*
>*
>>Marc Collins

>>"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---"
>> General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864
>>**************************************************************************
*
>*

by **Robin Lor** » Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:00:00

I use my R4 in Mode 1, had the shakes (and bad dead zone) with direct input,
but none with generic in GPL.

--

Robin.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends

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>Thanks for the replies so far!!

>I should add that I also tried:

>Logitech Wingman Formula attached to SB PCI 128 - rock solid

>and...

>I am now on the 4th R4...supplied by Saitek...as we were sure that the
first
>3 from the store must have been part of some bad batch (but, no, they are
>all acting the same).

>Marc.

>>Hi,

>>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the
>>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or
worse
>>when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the
steering
>>to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left.

>>Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling.

>>P2 - 450

>>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking
>>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking

>>These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but
>of
>>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of
>>controller / game port problems.

>>Thanks!

>>Marc.

>>--
>>**************************************************************************
*
>*
>>Marc Collins

>>"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---"
>> General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864
>>**************************************************************************
*
>*

by **Jari Jokine** » Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:00:00

I get almost no trembling with Diamond MX300, TM GP1 and CH
Pro Pedals. Steering set to fully linear and 20:1. No deadzone
as far as I can tell. Changing gameport or joystick driver doesn't
seem to make much difference in my system. It could be, that the
MX300 simply filters the joystick signal, but I can't notice any lag
and my times have improved over those I got when using Diamond
S90.

>Hi,

>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the
>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse
>when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering
>to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left.

by **Marc Collin** » Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Just out of interest, do you get any trembling or jittering when steering is
set at its most responsive setting (12:1)?

Marc

>I get almost no trembling with Diamond MX300, TM GP1 and CH
>Pro Pedals. Steering set to fully linear and 20:1. No deadzone
>as far as I can tell. Changing gameport or joystick driver doesn't
>seem to make much difference in my system. It could be, that the
>MX300 simply filters the joystick signal, but I can't notice any lag
>and my times have improved over those I got when using Diamond
>S90.

by **Edwin Solhei** » Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Marc.....

Get yourself a PDPI L4 game-card and say good bye to the shakes!
I used a SB16 as game-port when the GPL demo came out... but upgraded to a
PDPI later on... wow talk about gentle controls!

--
All the best,
Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply*
The Paddock - a legendary site....
<http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock>

>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the
>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse
>when you drive).

SNIP!

by **Richard G Cleg** » Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:00:00

: Ensonic(SB) PCI64
: -&-
: SB Live Value
: TM Nas Pro
: 0 dead zone in dinput.dll

: w/ PCI64 - Minor shaking(in calibration & on pit road)
: w/ SBLV - Shaking eliminated completely (any setting)

I've got a SB Live Value and I get pretty bad shaking on my wheel
(F1 Sim Compact - I know, I know but I can't afford to replace it yet).

I'm going to try buying a gameport to eliminate the shaking. I've
replaced the wheel potentiometer and am about to replace the pedal
slide pots.

--
Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

by **Marc Collin** » Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:00:00

I am trying to figure out what to do...obviously. Are the game ports in
modern sound cards (e.g., SB PCI 128 and Live!) that bad?? Is it just
Creative Labs cards?

The old reason for needing a dedicated game port--CPU too fast--is I assume
not a factor in a card that was released after the P2 450's were on the
market?

Marc.

>Marc.....

>Get yourself a PDPI L4 game-card and say good bye to the shakes!
>I used a SB16 as game-port when the GPL demo came out... but upgraded to a
>PDPI later on... wow talk about gentle controls!

>--
>All the best,
>Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply*
>The Paddock - a legendary site....
><http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock>

>>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the
>>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or
worse
>>when you drive).

>SNIP!

by **Mark Stah** » Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:00:00

folks-
this sounds great and all as i have some pretty severe shakes and think they
might be related to the fact that my car often spins out at
seemingly random points under braking. i have a SB AWE64, celery300a o/c to 464,
voodoo2, 128MB RAM, etc.
i'm using a TM GP1 wheel and the CH pedals. Pot is brand new.
does this with viper, too.
seems better with the generic drivers.

BUT $100 so i can plug in my wheel? c'mon....

don't they know i'm a student?

so my question is whether anyone knows of/has a less expensive gamecard which
might improve the situation...

thanks,

mark

> Marc.....

> Get yourself a PDPI L4 game-card and say good bye to the shakes!
> I used a SB16 as game-port when the GPL demo came out... but upgraded to a
> PDPI later on... wow talk about gentle controls!

by **NOMAD** » Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:00

I get shakes, too, on my T2 (connected to Thrustmaster ACM card). What I do
is before a race is I heat the steering pot with a hair dryer. Smooths it
out instantly but i need to reheat it between races. I hope this clears up
in summer.

ICQ 3002944
The HotSeat
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sf5j-rdyn/

>Hi,

>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the
>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse
>when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering
>to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left.

>Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling.

>P2 - 450

>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking
>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking
>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking

>These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but
of
>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of
>controller / game port problems.

>Thanks!

>Marc.

>--
>***************************************************************************
*
>Marc Collins

>"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---"
> General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864
>***************************************************************************
*

by **Marc Collin** » Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Please, please tell me what hardware you have. The two modes in GPL make no
difference on my system. Do you get jittering in the Windows calibration
screen? What version of the drivers for the R4 are you using? I need some
details as I cannot find a single system that the R4 will work on
properly...

Thanks!

>I use my R4 in Mode 1, had the shakes (and bad dead zone) with direct
input,
>but none with generic in GPL.

>--

>Robin.

>http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends

>Remove nospam from e-mail address to reply

>>Thanks for the replies so far!!

>>I should add that I also tried:

>>Logitech Wingman Formula attached to SB PCI 128 - rock solid

>>and...

>>I am now on the 4th R4...supplied by Saitek...as we were sure that the
>first
>>3 from the store must have been part of some bad batch (but, no, they are
>>all acting the same).

>>Marc.

>>>Hi,

>>>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of
the
>>>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or
>worse
>>>when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the
>steering
>>>to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left.

>>>Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling.

>>>P2 - 450

>>>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking
>>>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking
>>>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
>>>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
>>>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking

>>>These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but
>>of
>>>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of
>>>controller / game port problems.

>>>Thanks!

>>>Marc.

>>>--
>>>*************************************************************************
*
>*
>>*
>>>Marc Collins

>>>"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---"
>>> General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864
>>>*************************************************************************
*
>*
>>*

by **Marc Collin** » Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:00

I definitely don't have a heat problem here...it is very warm and dry in the
room.

Marc.

>I get shakes, too, on my T2 (connected to Thrustmaster ACM card). What I
do
>is before a race is I heat the steering pot with a hair dryer. Smooths it
>out instantly but i need to reheat it between races. I hope this clears
up
>in summer.

>ICQ 3002944
>The HotSeat
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sf5j-rdyn/

>>Hi,

>>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the
>>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or
worse
>>when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the
steering
>>to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left.

>>Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling.

>>P2 - 450

>>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking
>>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
>>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking

>>These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but
>of
>>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of
>>controller / game port problems.

>>Thanks!

>>Marc.

>>--
>>**************************************************************************
*
>*
>>Marc Collins

>>"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---"
>> General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864
>>**************************************************************************
*
>*

by **Marc Collin** » Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:00

I am not a student, but I agree with your sentiments completely! I cannot
believe that a "high end" sound card could come with such a piece-of-***
game port. Lots of people want to attach at least a joystick to it!!

Marc.

>folks-
>this sounds great and all as i have some pretty severe shakes and think
they
>might be related to the fact that my car often spins out at
>seemingly random points under braking. i have a SB AWE64, celery300a o/c to
464,
>voodoo2, 128MB RAM, etc.
>i'm using a TM GP1 wheel and the CH pedals. Pot is brand new.
>does this with viper, too.
>seems better with the generic drivers.

>BUT $100 so i can plug in my wheel? c'mon....

>don't they know i'm a student?

>so my question is whether anyone knows of/has a less expensive gamecard
which
>might improve the situation...

>thanks,

>mark

>> Marc.....

>> Get yourself a PDPI L4 game-card and say good bye to the shakes!
>> I used a SB16 as game-port when the GPL demo came out... but upgraded to
a
>> PDPI later on... wow talk about gentle controls!

by **Kevin Anderso** » Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:00

My arms were twitching so bad that the game was undrivable, I replaced my
steering pot and all is better. No other game or the calibration screen
could show that the pot was gone. But GPL is very sensitve i guess.

--
Kevin Anderson

ICQ # 6769389

>I definitely don't have a heat problem here...it is very warm and dry in
the
>room.

>Marc.

>>I get shakes, too, on my T2 (connected to Thrustmaster ACM card). What I
>do
>>is before a race is I heat the steering pot with a hair dryer. Smooths it
>>out instantly but i need to reheat it between races. I hope this clears
>up
>>in summer.

>>ICQ 3002944
>>The HotSeat
>>http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~sf5j-rdyn/

>>>Hi,

>>>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of
the
>>>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering

by **Robin Lor** » Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Celeron 300A o/c 450
64 meg ram
Voodoo 1
Direct X 6.0
Soundblaster Live value (into which r4 is plugged)
Lastest Drivers off Saitek site (as of 2 weeks ago - not sure of version
no.) Mode 1 seperate axis.

There is still absolutely ape jittering in the caliberation screen -
although most of this disappears when you push the accelerator down
slightly.

This is the 2nd R4 I've had (the first snapped when I applied some swift
oppositelock!!!! A flaw in the steering column or something I reckon, so I
had to take it back) - the first one also had worse much more ***
jitters then the second.

My mate has a R4 force feedback and reckons its as smooth as can be, I think
it may have optical pots like the Microsoft wheel. Could be worth your while
taking back the R4 and getting a FF version if you're having no luck.

--

Robin.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends

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>Please, please tell me what hardware you have. The two modes in GPL make
no
>difference on my system. Do you get jittering in the Windows calibration
>screen? What version of the drivers for the R4 are you using? I need some
>details as I cannot find a single system that the R4 will work on
>properly...

>Thanks!

by **Keit** » Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:00

With my Logitech Wingman Formula Force on USB, no shakes at all. The old
Thrustmaster T2 on Aureal Vortex digital gameport (or analog mode), severe
shaking.

Keith.

> Hi,

> Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the
> spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse
> when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering
> to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left.

> Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling.

> P2 - 450

> Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking
> Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking
> Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
> Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
> Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking
> Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
> Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking
> Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking

> These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but of
> course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of
> controller / game port problems.

> Thanks!

> Marc.

> --
> ****************************************************************************
> Marc Collins

> "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---"
> General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864
> ****************************************************************************

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