rec.autos.simulators

by **Bill Met** » Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:00:00

>Also, I keep hearing that existing tracks like The Glen, Elkhart Lake
>or Laguna Seca would require major upgrades to stage a F1 race. Other
>than proper run offs, does anybody know what else is required to bring
>these tracks up to F1 standards?

For starters I believe***Queen Bernie requires all F1 tracks to have
permanent, fully-enclosed garage facilities immediately adjacent to the
pit stalls. I can't think of a single road course in the US that has
this.

-Bill
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by **Dave Ma** » Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:00:00

[snip]

Well...most Americans. There *are* a few of us lonely, misunderstood
Yanks who love F1 but have no one to talk to (face to face) about a
great race like this weekend's Monza. :)
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Dave Mack

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by **Philip For** » Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Hmmm can you tell me what incredible move he made in the last race to take
the lead????.
He blew the start then his little buddy Eddie moved over to let him by and
the only other pass he made was when he got Mika just after Coultards car
blew up, in front of him and I think he could'nt see and went on the grass
so tyres had a fair bit of muck on them and overdone the chicane thus
allowing Shuey to get by.

Or did you mean the great passing move on Coultard at Spa??? crash bang got
you DOH!.

Rgds Phil

>I agree, F1 tends to be a 2 hour parade most of the time. However,
>these past two races, I've seen Schumie make incredible moves to take
>the lead, which for me makes up for the lack of overtaking the rest of
>the race. Now if only the rest of the drivers would put it on the
>line a little more, there would be some very entertaining races going
>on in F1.

>>> I'm in love with F1 new and old. It's better than the IRL. I'd
>>>rather watch and F1 race than a NASCAR race.

>> So would I, if the F1 boys ever had a _race_. You know, with
>>this thing called passing. Until they do (can you say "rules
>>change"?), I'll stick with NASCAR.

>> bob

by **dschw** » Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Hmmm....I didn't see Mika go onto any grass after Coulthard blow up.
What I did see was a distracted Hakkinen leave the door open a bit for
a very focused Shumacher, who made a great move to get the preferred
line going into the turn even while Hakkinen was fighting him back.

The great move at Spa I am referring to is when he passed Hill going
into a very tough turn and then jump out to a commanding lead until he
decided to play Monster Truck with Couthard's Mercedes.

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:29:47 +1000, "Philip Ford"

>Hmmm can you tell me what incredible move he made in the last race to take
>the lead????.
>He blew the start then his little buddy Eddie moved over to let him by and
>the only other pass he made was when he got Mika just after Coultards car
>blew up, in front of him and I think he could'nt see and went on the grass
>so tyres had a fair bit of muck on them and overdone the chicane thus
>allowing Shuey to get by.

>Or did you mean the great passing move on Coultard at Spa??? crash bang got
>you DOH!.

>Rgds Phil

by **John Walla** » Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:00:00

>I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Malaysian track got state support
>because it would be seen as promoting national prestige. But I would doubt
>that the A1 Ring or any other recent track developments got any particular
>support. F1 is very much financially self supporting with the sort of
>finances that any oter racing series would die for ;-)

Malaysian track probably did, as remember they (Malaysia) sponsor
Stewart. Mind you, a lot of things in Malaysia have dried up recently
as the Ringitt plummets, especially since it was suspended from
trading. As for A1 Ring, it's not "new", just a terrible modification
of the Osterreichring.

Cheers!
John

by **J Huggin** » Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:00:00

What I like about NASCAR is that the cars are fairly even performance
wise, and they can actually "rub-some-paint" without launching someone.
I watch NASCAR, CART, and F1. The F1 and CART races are great for the
high speed lightning reflex strategy racing. NASCAR on the other hand
has that hard-nosed "if I wanna pass i'll kick the door in" type racing
which I can relate to as i'm driving the highway ;) I would like to see
J.Gordon in a pointy car, and A.Zanardi in a Bristol night-race, I think
J.G. would show some great potential, and A.Z. would get physical real
quick!
-JH-

by **Matthew V. Jessic** » Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:00:00

> [snip]
> >Another reason we Americans don't follow F1

> Well...most Americans. There *are* a few of us lonely, misunderstood
> Yanks who love F1 but have no one to talk to (face to face) about a
> great race like this weekend's Monza. :)

Most Americans just have extremely bad luck.
Like me, whose cable system adds Speed Vision
tomorrow... 7 days before my TV goes onto the moving van ;)

- Matt

by **Dave Ma** » Wed, 16 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Well, at least you'll have it for 7 days, and might be able to catch
some of those specials this week. Some cable companies (ahem...mine
in particular) don't carry it and have no plans to AKAIK. They'd
rather add another shopping channel or three. :(
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by **DPHI** » Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Every time I hear about TG building a road course inside IMS, I have to laugh.
I attended many races at the old Ontario Motor Speedway ( A virtual clone of
IMS ) back in the 70's and there was not one redeaming feature about that
track. It was flat, featureless and the drivers hated it. Just what the racing
world needs, another boring stadium track. I would rather F1 stay away than
bring any more scorn upon American F1 efforts.

-don

"To race is to live, everything else is just waiting." - Rudi Caricciola

by **Dean Manle** » Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Well it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see George try to bring F1
here to Indy and***it up. Especially given his "track" record over the
last couple of years.

by **Ken Bear** » Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:00:00

>>Most Americans just have extremely bad luck.
>>Like me, whose cable system adds Speed Vision
>>tomorrow... 7 days before my TV goes onto the moving van ;)

>Well, at least you'll have it for 7 days, and might be able to catch
>some of those specials this week. Some cable companies (ahem...mine
>in particular) don't carry it and have no plans to AKAIK. They'd
>rather add another shopping channel or three. :(
>============================
>Dave Mack

Oh yeah, don't ya just love THOSE. I feel your pain, no speedvision, and
ESPN-2 requires a package with some other neat stuff, that sadly requires
the use of those damned cable converter boxes, that of course make watching
and recording different programs a pain, and screws up the picture in
picture and all the other neat stuff of cable-ready TV's. So for now I do
without.

Have always been a NASCAR fan, kinda hard to miss it here in NC, but F1,
CART, IRL aren't too far behind, and I'll watch most anything with wheels
racing. A lot of my friends though completely do not get "pointy-car"
racing, so don't watch any of the open-wheel stuff. Drug several to the IRL
races here and they had a blast, although they missed the "rubbin" of the
stockers. They do seem to appreciate Schummy when I show them a tape of an
F1 race, they think he'd be pretty cool to have in NASCAR (appeals to the
Earnhardt element, I do see the connection <g>)

So yes, there are F1 fans in the US, even in the "NASCAR South". Actually,
you can probably thank computer games for this, as I really got hooked on
Turbo-Era F1 playing Grand Prix Circuit and Ferrari Formula 1 on the old
C-64, which piqued my interest for F1 a lot, then of course GP1 (World
Circuit) on the PC. And I usually find it more exciting chasing down that
single-point sixth spot in GP2 or F1RS than banging fenders in N2 even
though NASCAR is my real-world favorite. So I'm really looking forward to
GPL here. Yes, some because I want the latest and greatest sim, but also
because I like Formula 1 racing a lot too - and to simulate some of that
James Garner "Grand Prix" action of course :-)

Ken

by **Mark Seer** » Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Or Eddie Cheever!

Mark

by **John Walla** » Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Hmmm - Mika was on a tight line and rode the kerbs at Della Roggia,
leaving the inside line totally clear for Michael to plonk himself
into. No "great move", just opportunism. He made the move a long way
earlier by not backing off as much as Mika when coming upon the smoke
from Coulthard's car.

Passing Hill was also pretty easy given that Hill was on wet/dry and
Michael full wet. The added grip through Blanchimont and shorter
braking distance thanks to more downforce and softer setup would make
it a foregone conclusion. He did well to make it stick, but drivers
were doing that all day to slower cars. Not quite so clever when
trying to pass Coulthard though! Ouch.

Cheers!
John

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