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by **Iain Mackenzi** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:11:26

F1CS is not particularly under rated here actually. It was the best modern
F1 sim, but the cars just feel really heavy now since F1RC was released.
What addons are you talking about in terms of eyecandy rivalling F1RC? None
that I've tried come anywhere near.
Iain

> That's bull, Arto -- F1CS2000 is right up there with N4 and GPL
> physics-wise (this is especially true once you apply the All Chassis
> Patch to gain the advanced physics). This is a VERY under-rated sim,
> IMO. Too many people couldn't get decent performance out of F1 2000,
> and I don't they they've given F1CS2000 a fair shake (you included,
> perhaps?).

> With some of the current graphics add-ons, F1CS2K rivals F1RC in terms
> of eye-candy.

> This may not be the definitive modern F1 sim, but its successor -- F1
> 2001 -- will be, without a doubt. F1 2001 could well exceed GPL, N4,
> and WSC.

> Just my $0.02 (hey, you asked!).

> -- JB

> >Well, after having been taken part to a N4 practice on-line series of
> >four about 50% races, and after some years of GPL offline experience,
> >I must confess that to me all those three "good" modern F1 "sims" -
> >F1CS2000, GP3 and F1RC really are not so very good! They all do have
> >their good points, but I think they really are not simulators in the
> >sense of GPL and N4 are! What do you think?

> >Arto

> >PS Sierra/Papy, please make us a _good_ modern F1 sim with on line
> > capabilities like N4 has!

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:21:12

Just to add to the fight, er, discussion; the following about F12001 from
Gamespot UK....

http://www.gamespot.co.uk/stories/interviews/0,2160,2088568,00.html

GameSpot UK: What improvements and advances have you made to the game
engine?

Joe Campana: F1 2001 features two major technology advances - graphics
engine and game engine.

The graphics engine is completely new - our fourth generation, hardware
only, DirectX 8, possibly one of the fastest triangle pushers I've ever
seen. We support very high triangle counts, as well as complex material
properties such as specular highlighting, environment mapping, vertex
colour, multiple alpha blending modes, and many other material properties
which give the tracks and cars nearly photo quality at high frame rates.

The game engine is completely redesigned, including completely new vehicle
dynamics based on pure mechanical physics (beams, joints, springs, etc.).
The dynamics code runs at over 200Hz, and is by far the most realistic
simulation of a race car you will ever experience. When you see the way the
car interacts with the driver and the environment, you'll see what I mean.

The weather system can recreate pretty much any weather from dry and sunny,
to torrential downpours.

GSUK: Can you expand a little more on F1 2001's multiplayer options?

James Hawkins: Having written our own network layer, we hope to have the
most stable TCP/IP support of any racing game. Our new approach to lobbies
also means that players will be able to practise on the track whilst waiting
for others to join. Finally, Multiplayer Season should satisfy those players
wanting to race the entire championship.

GSUK: Formula One is among the most crowded and competitive of all genres -
what's going to give F1 2001 pole position on the grid?

Joe Campana: Simply put, the physics, graphics, AI, gameplay, and
multiplayer aspects of this game are clearly the best ever seen in a Formula
1 game, or any racing game for that matter.

Hmmmmm.......

SB

<snip>

by **Pete Greave** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:26:14

Yeah I'd agree a nice new CART one would be good. I mean, CART Precision
Racing from Micro$oft?? Give us a break... I thought it was good but after
buying it for 4.99 in the bargain bin, it just proved disappoiting with
abysmal accident realism.

Pete :)

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by **Morgan V. Woote** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:18:17

Couldn't agree more. Nothing really matches Papy realism. Very unfortunate.

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by **Scott B. Huste** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:36:36

John,

I have a sealed box from EBWorld with N4 in it. At the time I was actually
so anxious for N4 I couldn't wait for it to be delivered from EBW that I
stopped at the mall on the way home from work to pick up a copy.

OK.. so instead of wasting $45 I wasted $90 on a sim with great physics and
arcade damage. ;)

Anyways... Id sell my extra copy "cheap" ;) A bottle of Code Red Dew
and stale nachos from 7-11 would probably do it! ROFLMAO </joke>

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> I still don't own the full version of N4. I'm not a huge NASCAR fan,
> I have all the NASCAR tracks in N3 (including Indy and Pocono), I have
> NASCAR Heat for modern physics, and I just don't feel the need for
> another NASCAR sim, even if it is the "Son of GPL." Not until the
> price comes down, anyway.

> -- JB ("The Heretic")

> >See now!! if Papy makes it they will come!!

> >| If Papy makes it, I will buy it.
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by **Ian** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:09:16

If it was produced by Papy it would be the finest woman ever. On top of that
we'd know what to do with her ;)

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by **Kevin Gavit** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:15:23

At this point I have no idea what you're talking about and have no idea if
you know what I was talking about.

KFG

by **#14152** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:50:19

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 07:21:12 -0400, "Steve Blankenship"

>Joe Campana: Simply put, the physics, graphics, AI, gameplay, and
>multiplayer aspects of this game are clearly the best ever seen in a Formula
>1 game, or any racing game for that matter.

Pre-release hype is my take on those comments. But, if they can
deliver then yippee! F1CS2K is still my favourite F1 sim, and yes, I
do have F1RC and GP3.

by **Don Burnett** » Mon, 11 Jun 2001 00:22:38

Sounds a bit promising.

Don Burnette

by **Thom j** » Mon, 11 Jun 2001 01:10:11

Gee you read my mind Kevin!! phew...lol

| > Even if they used the GPL physics engine?
| > David G Fisher

| At this point I have no idea what you're talking about and have no idea if
| you know what I was talking about.
| KFG

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by **Uncle Feste** » Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:06:07

> Maybe Papy will make some of you a woman.

Unlike some, I have no need to *buy* a woman.

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by **John Bod** » Mon, 11 Jun 2001 06:55:33

"the cars just feel really heavy now since F1RC was released"????

Have you tried the All Chassis Patch to gain the advanced physics in
F1CS2K?

????

- JB

On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 08:11:26 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

>F1CS is not particularly under rated here actually. It was the best modern
>F1 sim, but the cars just feel really heavy now since F1RC was released.
>What addons are you talking about in terms of eyecandy rivalling F1RC? None
>that I've tried come anywhere near.
>Iain

>> That's bull, Arto -- F1CS2000 is right up there with N4 and GPL
>> physics-wise (this is especially true once you apply the All Chassis
>> Patch to gain the advanced physics). This is a VERY under-rated sim,
>> IMO. Too many people couldn't get decent performance out of F1 2000,
>> and I don't they they've given F1CS2000 a fair shake (you included,
>> perhaps?).

>> With some of the current graphics add-ons, F1CS2K rivals F1RC in terms
>> of eye-candy.

>> This may not be the definitive modern F1 sim, but its successor -- F1
>> 2001 -- will be, without a doubt. F1 2001 could well exceed GPL, N4,
>> and WSC.

>> Just my $0.02 (hey, you asked!).

>> -- JB

>> >Well, after having been taken part to a N4 practice on-line series of
>> >four about 50% races, and after some years of GPL offline experience,
>> >I must confess that to me all those three "good" modern F1 "sims" -
>> >F1CS2000, GP3 and F1RC really are not so very good! They all do have
>> >their good points, but I think they really are not simulators in the
>> >sense of GPL and N4 are! What do you think?

>> >Arto

>> >PS Sierra/Papy, please make us a _good_ modern F1 sim with on line
>> > capabilities like N4 has!

by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:29:59

The problem is, even if the car handling could be made to feel the same, why
would I stay with F1CS? F1RC does everything else better or equal to F1CS.

Also, F1CS has the fish-eye effect which alone can ruin a sim for me. It
makes the track look too thin and I just find it extremely annoying. Try Spa
in F1RC and then in F1CS. You'll see what I mean. Hopefully the new graphics
engine in F12001 won't have this. F1RC, RC2000, GP3, and GPL don't have the
fish-eye effect. I have no idea why developers put this type of view into
their racing games.

David G Fisher

> "the cars just feel really heavy now since F1RC was released"????

> Have you tried the All Chassis Patch to gain the advanced physics in
> F1CS2K?

> ????

> - JB

> On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 08:11:26 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> >F1CS is not particularly under rated here actually. It was the best
modern
> >F1 sim, but the cars just feel really heavy now since F1RC was released.
> >What addons are you talking about in terms of eyecandy rivalling F1RC?
None
> >that I've tried come anywhere near.
> >Iain

> >> That's bull, Arto -- F1CS2000 is right up there with N4 and GPL
> >> physics-wise (this is especially true once you apply the All Chassis
> >> Patch to gain the advanced physics). This is a VERY under-rated sim,
> >> IMO. Too many people couldn't get decent performance out of F1 2000,
> >> and I don't they they've given F1CS2000 a fair shake (you included,
> >> perhaps?).

> >> With some of the current graphics add-ons, F1CS2K rivals F1RC in terms
> >> of eye-candy.

> >> This may not be the definitive modern F1 sim, but its successor -- F1
> >> 2001 -- will be, without a doubt. F1 2001 could well exceed GPL, N4,
> >> and WSC.

> >> Just my $0.02 (hey, you asked!).

> >> -- JB

> >> >Well, after having been taken part to a N4 practice on-line series of
> >> >four about 50% races, and after some years of GPL offline experience,
> >> >I must confess that to me all those three "good" modern F1 "sims" -
> >> >F1CS2000, GP3 and F1RC really are not so very good! They all do have
> >> >their good points, but I think they really are not simulators in the
> >> >sense of GPL and N4 are! What do you think?

> >> >Arto

> >> >PS Sierra/Papy, please make us a _good_ modern F1 sim with on line
> >> > capabilities like N4 has!

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:36:08

Yep, been using it since the day it came out! Big improvement, but my
comments still apply.
Iain

> "the cars just feel really heavy now since F1RC was released"????

> Have you tried the All Chassis Patch to gain the advanced physics in
> F1CS2K?

> ????

> - JB

> On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 08:11:26 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> >F1CS is not particularly under rated here actually. It was the best
modern
> >F1 sim, but the cars just feel really heavy now since F1RC was released.
> >What addons are you talking about in terms of eyecandy rivalling F1RC?
None
> >that I've tried come anywhere near.
> >Iain

> >> That's bull, Arto -- F1CS2000 is right up there with N4 and GPL
> >> physics-wise (this is especially true once you apply the All Chassis
> >> Patch to gain the advanced physics). This is a VERY under-rated sim,
> >> IMO. Too many people couldn't get decent performance out of F1 2000,
> >> and I don't they they've given F1CS2000 a fair shake (you included,
> >> perhaps?).

> >> With some of the current graphics add-ons, F1CS2K rivals F1RC in terms
> >> of eye-candy.

> >> This may not be the definitive modern F1 sim, but its successor -- F1
> >> 2001 -- will be, without a doubt. F1 2001 could well exceed GPL, N4,
> >> and WSC.

> >> Just my $0.02 (hey, you asked!).

> >> -- JB

> >> >Well, after having been taken part to a N4 practice on-line series of
> >> >four about 50% races, and after some years of GPL offline experience,
> >> >I must confess that to me all those three "good" modern F1 "sims" -
> >> >F1CS2000, GP3 and F1RC really are not so very good! They all do have
> >> >their good points, but I think they really are not simulators in the
> >> >sense of GPL and N4 are! What do you think?

> >> >Arto

> >> >PS Sierra/Papy, please make us a _good_ modern F1 sim with on line
> >> > capabilities like N4 has!

by **Ashley McConnel** » Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:29:16

Arto,

My brother has just got a new computer and now we can play network games of
all the new F1 sims (I bought em all!). We played them all, but I just feel
the same, something is missing, they dont feel real. I go back to GPL and
find all is as it should be. I think a tell-tale sign that a sim isnt going
to be good is bad implementation of force feedback effects. From the little
physics programming I have done, I have found that the Force on the wheel is
one of the forces that is easily (?!?!) generated once you are using the
correct formulas (eg. Pacekja). If FF isn't right, then the physics model
isnt as it could be, but perhaps a good estimation.

Either way, I have depressed myself.....we need one now! :)

Ash

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