rec.autos.simulators

by **Raav** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 01:53:21 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

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>I too have experienced the "Rocky Horror Show" syndrome....the "jump to =
>the right!
>However, I completely disagree that it makes the patch unusable, having =
>just completed a full-length race at Talladega and also at (to see if =
>the "jump" was universal") Martinsville. All it took was a little =
>common-sense to stay more to the left when negotiating a turn. =
>Sure...it jumped....but after the first couple of times I became used to =
>it and treated it (in my imagination) as a bump on the track!
>Martinsville was less of a problem, due to the lower speeds through the =
>turns.
>Incidentally....at 'dega the jump occurred about every 5 or 6 laps and =
>at Martinsville about every 20 or so laps. Does this indicate it could =
>be something on a timed loop in the program?
>With regard to the date stamp....I consider this to be =
>non-event.....that is the way we tend to write the date anyway!! Good =
>on yer, Sierra!! :-)
>Bruce.

>"But that was then....and this is now!"
>(Murray Walker)
>Vegemite Racing:- =
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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>I too have experienced the =
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>Martinsville was less of a =
>problem, due to=20
>the lower speeds through the turns.

>Incidentally....at 'dega the =
>jump occurred=20
>about every 5 or 6 laps and at Martinsville about every 20 or so laps. =
>Does=20
>this indicate it could be something on a timed loop in the =
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>With regard to the date =
>stamp....I consider=20
>this to be non-event.....that is the way we tend to write the date =
>anyway!! =20
>Good on yer, Sierra!! :-)

>Bruce.  
> 
>"But that was then....and this is now!" 
>(Murray Walker) 
>Vegemite Racing:- =
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It's nice you can pretend it's a BUMP in the track but after running
30 laps at dega and having the car lurch into a car next to me I kiss
the 30 laps goodbye after a bounce off the wall. I'm trying to live
with this problem that seems to be pretty common but sometimes it's
too much, especially when the patch was supposed to make the sim
better not worse.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

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I too have experienced the "Rocky Horror Show" syndrome....the "jump to =
the right!
However, I completely disagree that it makes the patch unusable, having =
just completed a full-length race at Talladega and also at (to see if =
the "jump" was universal") Martinsville. All it took was a little =
common-sense to stay more to the left when negotiating a turn. =
Sure...it jumped....but after the first couple of times I became used to =
it and treated it (in my imagination) as a bump on the track!
Martinsville was less of a problem, due to the lower speeds through the =
turns.
Incidentally....at 'dega the jump occurred about every 5 or 6 laps and =
at Martinsville about every 20 or so laps. Does this indicate it could =
be something on a timed loop in the program?
With regard to the date stamp....I consider this to be =
non-event.....that is the way we tend to write the date anyway!! Good =
on yer, Sierra!! :-)
Bruce.

"But that was then....and this is now!"
(Murray Walker)
Vegemite Racing:- =
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/vegemiteracing/index.htm
Stunned Mullet:- =
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/stunnedmullet/index.htm

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I too have experienced the =
"Rocky=20
Horror Show" syndrome....the "jump to the right!

However, I completely disagree =
that it=20
makes the patch unusable, having just completed a full-length race at =
Talladega=20
and also at (to see if the "jump" was universal") =
Martinsville. =20
All it took was a little common-sense to stay more to the left when =
negotiating=20
a turn. Sure...it jumped....but after the first couple of times I =
became used=20
to it and treated it (in my imagination) as a bump on the track!

Martinsville was less of a =
problem, due to=20
the lower speeds through the turns.

Incidentally....at 'dega the =
jump occurred=20
about every 5 or 6 laps and at Martinsville about every 20 or so laps. =
Does=20
this indicate it could be something on a timed loop in the =
program?

With regard to the date =
stamp....I consider=20
this to be non-event.....that is the way we tend to write the date =
anyway!! =20
Good on yer, Sierra!! :-)

Bruce.  
 
"But that was then....and this is now!" 
(Murray Walker) 
Vegemite Racing:- =
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/vegemiteracing/index.htm 
Stunned Mullet:- <A=20
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by **Chris Dra** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

After reading about this problem I ran a 50% length race at Talladega
and never once had this "jump to the right" occur. Have you tried a
reinstalling NASCAR2 fresh and then patching it? Otherwise it may be
a hardware issue. I'm running on a 200MHz Pentium Pro with an
Intergraph Reactor (running the DMA version) and a SB32 PNP. I'm
running in Windows95 with an ECCI wheel/pedal combo (also haven't had
any problems with the wheel since the patch either). Unrelated
hardware installed in my system: Adaptec 2940U PCI SCSI card and a
Yamaha Waveforce card.

On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 01:53:21 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

>I too have experienced the "Rocky Horror Show" syndrome....the "jump to the right!
>However, I completely disagree that it makes the patch unusable, having just completed a full-length race at Talladega and also at (to see if the "jump" was universal") Martinsville. All it took was a little common-sense to stay more to the left when negotiating a turn. Sure...it jumped....but after the first couple of times I became used to it and treated it (in my imagination) as a bump on the track!
>Martinsville was less of a problem, due to the lower speeds through the turns.
>Incidentally....at 'dega the jump occurred about every 5 or 6 laps and at Martinsville about every 20 or so laps. Does this indicate it could be something on a timed loop in the program?
>With regard to the date stamp....I consider this to be non-event.....that is the way we tend to write the date anyway!! Good on yer, Sierra!! :-)
>Bruce.

>"But that was then....and this is now!"
>(Murray Walker)
>Vegemite Racing:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/vegemiteracing/index.htm
>Stunned Mullet:- http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/stunnedmullet/index.htm

by **Michael E. Carve** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

: Of course the patch was tested (though to be honest some things like the
: date format can go unnoticed), but I have yet to experience any jerkyness
: whatsoever in the steering.

Same here, no jerkiness in steering with T1 & ACM card. I think the
original poster indicated he had the 1.01 version. Could there be
problems with this patch (mine was 1.00). Also, I tend to run N2 in DOS
not through Win95. Could this also be part of the problem?

--
**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

by **Michael E. Carve** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

: >
: > This is to touch base with anybody else who might be experiencing the
: > same problems that I did not want to find. Some are minor. One is a
: > disaster.
: >
: > MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to
: > the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was
: > not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each
: > one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky
: > every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem)
: > This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is
: > there now with the new nascar2exe file

: I, and apparently a lot of other people have experienced this as well.
: Letting Papy know about a bug is not whining or complaining and I'm sure
: they are glad for tha input. I expect we will get some kind of response
: about this very soon.

Well I let N2 gather dust while I awaited the patch and moved on to
other things. I haven't experienced the "jerking" to the right, but it
does seem that steering is not as "clean, smooth and precise" as I recall
it. I wonder if this isn't a side affect of the "cyrix" fix. I've
noticed that not many people experiencing this haven't posted information
on the system and whether they are running in DOS or Win95. Also
whether they had the 1.00 N2 or the 1.01. Providing this kind of
information is how Papyrus can quickly find the problem and a solution.

--
**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

by **Michael E. Carve** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

: Myself and at least one other person I know also has the sudden "right
: turn" blip. We experience it with direct modem as well as thru the internet
: connections. The new "bump in the road" blip is ok, but I must say I don't
: like the sudden right turn one. This isn't a old software problem, this is
: a problem related to the new patch.

Is this only encountered in Modem or Network play? Or is this a problem
that has shown up in single play mode? If it's in multi-player mode we
should see a fix "real soon now" as June is the projected start of NRO.

--
**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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by **WINWAL** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

has anyone tried to cal wheel in both win95 and in N2. Also I'v heard that
you can delete the calibrating files and start over. (not sure which files
) I patched ver 1.0 and my T2 works great.

by **ronnie.bigw..** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Sorry I forgot to mention that I deleted the Calib.val and
controls.cfg prior to recalibrating , any way my controls (T2)
work perfectly now.

> I experienced the lurching effect also , but it went away after I
>recalibrated from the main menu. Perhaps when you recalibrate it must
>be done from the main menu? It seemed to remedy the problem for me.

by **ronnie.bigw..** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

I experienced the lurching effect also , but it went away after I
recalibrated from the main menu. Perhaps when you recalibrate it must
be done from the main menu? It seemed to remedy the problem for me.

by **Alan B** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Michael,

I also believe that this "pot bug" is the result of the Cyrix fix. I
experienced no problems with the game before the patch but now am
having
problems with the steering. The sudden "jerk" to the right is not a
constant happening, it only occurs to me about every 9 laps and not in
the same place on the track. It could happen while I'm running low or
high in the turns, it could happen on the straights I just never know
when.
Before I installed the patch, I made sure I was going to install the
correct one by double checking everything. I never changed any files in
N2 so I figured this would be an easy fix, not so. Following the
instruc-
tions in the Readme I had the 3.2.2.0 version of N2. The "naspat0"
would
always quit loading at the nchrllte.dat. I deleted N2 and started over,
again I would get the same result. After another fresh install I
patched
N2 with with the file for version 3.2.2.1, this file worked and now I
have the "pot bug". Now, the "pot bug" could be the result of the Cyrix
fix or it could be because I installed the patch for 3.2.2.1, which I
don't have, but this patch is the only one that would work.
No laughing but I have a Packard Bell P60 with 72 megs of 70ns
non-parity
RAM, Intergraph Reactor and Win95 not OSR2. Steering device is a T2
connected to port on Sound Blaster, settings at 220 IRQ 5 DMA 1. I run
N2 through the RENDDMA batch file.

Alan B.
alanwee
Late Night with Dave Series

by **Nick Denckla** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

I'm starting think that maybe the Win 95 vs. DOS think might be part of
it. I've tried the patch (1.00 as well) in both and only experience the
twitch in Win 95.

> Same here, no jerkiness in steering with T1 & ACM card. I think the
> original poster indicated he had the 1.01 version. Could there be
> problems with this patch (mine was 1.00). Also, I tend to run N2 in DOS
> not through Win95. Could this also be part of the problem?

> --
> **************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
> Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00

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I cannot agree that the "jump" makes the patch unusable.
Although I have experienced it on the tracks that I have raced on since
installation (Talladega, Martinsville and Michigan) I became used to the
movement and treated it as a "bump" on the track! I have noticed that it
occurred more frequently at Martinsville than at Talladega or
Michigan.....something to do with the length of the track?

Incidentally...system is bog-standard intel P-100, 24Mb RAM, Sierra
Screamin' 3-D card, T/master T1 wheel/pedal and I run Nascar2 (version 1)
by doing a "restart in DOS mode" from Win95.
The game has a full install and no other "patches" or "fixes" were applied
prior to installing this patch.
--
Bruce.
"But that was then....and this is now!"
(Guess who!)

> On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 01:01:51 -0400 Ed Benson

> : >
> : > This is to touch base with anybody else who might be experiencing the
> : > same problems that I did not want to find. Some are minor. One is a
> : > disaster.
> : >
> : > MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to
> : > the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was
> : > not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each
> : > one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky
> : > every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track
problem)
> : > This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is
> : > there now with the new nascar2exe file

> : I, and apparently a lot of other people have experienced this as well.
> : Letting Papy know about a bug is not whining or complaining and I'm
sure
> : they are glad for tha input. I expect we will get some kind of response
> : about this very soon.

> Well I let N2 gather dust while I awaited the patch and moved on to
> other things. I haven't experienced the "jerking" to the right, but it
> does seem that steering is not as "clean, smooth and precise" as I recall
> it. I wonder if this isn't a side affect of the "cyrix" fix. I've
> noticed that not many people experiencing this haven't posted information
> on the system and whether they are running in DOS or Win95. Also
> whether they had the 1.00 N2 or the 1.01. Providing this kind of
> information is how Papyrus can quickly find the problem and a solution.

> --
> **************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
> Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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<html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">I cannot agree that the =
"jump" makes the patch unusable. Although I have =
experienced it on the tracks that I have raced on since installation =
(Talladega, Martinsville and Michigan) I became used to the movement and =
treated it as a "bump" on the track!  I have noticed that =
it occurred more frequently at Martinsville than at Talladega or =
Michigan.....something to do with the length of the =
track? Incidentally...system is bog-standard intel P-100, 24Mb =
RAM, Sierra Screamin' 3-D card, T/master T1 wheel/pedal and I run =
Nascar2 (version 1) by doing a "restart in DOS mode" from =
Win95. The game has a full install and no other "patches" =
or "fixes" were applied prior to installing this patch. -- =
 Bruce. "But that was then....and this is =
now!" (Guess who!) Michael E. Carver <> wrote in article <>... > On Sat, 26 Apr 1997 01:01:51 -0400 Ed =
Benson <> : > This is to touch base with anybody else who might be =
experiencing the > : > same problems that I did not want to =
find. Some are minor. One is a > : > disaster. > : > =
 > : > MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a =
*** jump to > : >  the right then returns. This is =
intermittent.  To make sure this was > : > not a =
potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each > : =
> one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was =
jerky > : > every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega =
(not a track problem) > : > This might vary somewhat from =
computer to computer but the problem is > : > there now =
 with the new nascar2exe file > > : I, and apparently =
a lot of other people have experienced this as well. > : Letting =
Papy know about a bug is not whining or complaining and I'm sure > =
: they are glad for tha input. I expect we will get some kind of =
response > : about this very soon. > > Well I let N2 =
gather dust while I awaited the patch and moved on to > other =
things.  I haven't experienced the "jerking" to the =
right, but it > does seem that steering is not as "clean, =
smooth and precise" as I recall > it.  I wonder if this =
isn't a side affect of the "cyrix" fix.  I've > =
noticed that not many people experiencing this haven't posted =
information > on the system and whether they are running in DOS or =
Win95.  Also > whether they had the 1.00 N2 or the 1.01. =
 Providing this kind of > information is how Papyrus can =
quickly find the problem and a solution. > > -- > =
**************************** Michael E. Carver =
************************* >      Upside =
out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > =
         http://www.racesimcentral.net/~mcarver > =
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by **Keiron Ra** » Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:00:00

>MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to
> the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was
>not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each
>one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky
>every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem)
>This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is
>there now with the new nascar2exe file

Experienced exactly same problem .... RENDDMA with OSR2-FAT16 under
DOS.

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by **Keiron Ra** » Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:00:00

It's definitely there, and not ovweractive imagination. Will recal T2
and try again

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by **Keiron Ra** » Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:00:00

>MAJOR- When running around the track the car takes a *** jump to
> the right then returns. This is intermittent. To make sure this was
>not a potentiometer problem I loaded my old exe file and tested each
>one 4 times. The old exe was smooth but the patched one was jerky
>every time. This was easiest to see on Talladega (not a track problem)
>This might vary somewhat from computer to computer but the problem is
>there now with the new nascar2exe file

Experienced exactly same problem .... RENDDMA with OSR2-FAT16 under
DOS using TM T2.

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