rec.autos.simulators

Toe brakes are used in aircraft.  The pedals are used to rotate the
airplane left and right both on the ground and in the air.  The toe
brakes are used on the ground to slow the plane down much like you
would slow a car down.  There is one toe brake on each pedal which
cooresponds to the a seperate brack on each set of main gear.  This
allows for differential braking.  That is being able to only brake
with the right gear which will cause the plane to rotate around the
braking wheel.

I have the CH pedals.  From all I have read on the flight-sim board
the difference in the pedals is the toe brake and the ability for the
pedals to slide forward and back.  This action more closely mimicks the
action found in an airplane.  In an airplane when you push the right pedal
forward the left pedal will push back.  Puch the left pedal forward and
the right pedal comes back.

My understanding is that the CH Pro pedals are provided to provide more
realism for the flight-sim people.

I have been flying flight-sims for over 6 years and had to make a decision
between CH and CH Pro.  From all the discussion in the flight-sim groups
I chose the CH Pedals (not the Pros).  I just recently bought ICR2 and began
monitoring this group.  It is my opinion that for car simulators the right
choice is the CH Pedals.  It's actually the choice for most flight-sim
users also since most flight-sims do not support the toe brakes.

I also have the CH Virtual Yoke which was originally purchased for my
flight-sims.  I use the yoke as the steering wheel for ICR2.  It works
great and I really enjoy ICR2.

Hope this helps.

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Len Wilcox

The Pro Pedals are dual mode.  You can either get the rudder sliding action
where the pedals are essentially mounted on little carts in the base unit, or the
pedals themselves tilt forward.  There are pedal sliding locks supplied with the
Pro Pedals which lock out the sliding action if you run in tilt mode (toe
braking).

There's a slide switch which selects which action outputs to the joystick
connector.  In rudder mode, the sliding pedal action results in a left-right
input into the joystick 2 connections.  Tilting the pedals has no effect.

In "car" mode, tilting the pedals causes joystick inputs in the positive
direction on the joystick 2 x and y axes.  Likewise, sliding the pedals
does not affect the joystick 2 connections.  

The Pro Pedal instructions mention that toe braking was not supported
at the time that they printed the instructions, but the pedals were capable
of it.  I believe toe braking is used in flight simulation where tilting the
pedals activates the wheel brakes as opposed to moving the rudder.
So in essence, sliding the pedals give you rudder control, and tilting
the pedals forward activate your wheel brakes.

I do to. But I've found that it was easier to drive with two feet,
left-on-brake, right-on-throttle. At first I was dissapointed that it
was so difficult to drive with one foot alone, but I am happy with the
setup now. I think the (low) height of my desk made me have to resort
to two feet.

Anybody else use this two-foot technique?

Later,
Matt

-Jim

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-Jim

Interesting that you should post that- I just heard today what you
describe, while watching a NASCAR race ( a 200 at Daytona). Kyle Petty
or somebody explained that on the ovals the drivers generally keep the
right pedal pinned to the floor, and control their speed by braking
with their left foot.

Any idea what the Indycar drivers do? I am especially interested about
their configuration on the road courses, where they need to shift
constantly.

Bret

Al jr and Michael Andretti have said they left brake on road courses also.
 Rick Mears was one of the first to admit it.  He started after his
accident and his feet were so messed up.  The design of true racing
gearboxes does not require use of the clutch once in motion.  You can also
shift your road car without the  clutch, however it is not designed the
same, so you can do damage as you practice.

Joe Nowotny

"The secret o' life is enjoying the passage of time." James Taylor
"Hell, it could be my fault" Jimmy Buffet
"Speed cost $$$, How fast do you want to go?" ????

I use the two foot tech. I feel it's a lot quicker than using one foot.
You can get on the
gas and brakes quicker - otherwise you are at a disadvantage against
drivers who
don't use foot controls (buttons) assuming you race modem or in a league.
Also it
lets me drive in a pack with fewer crashes.

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