You should see a doctor.
Rik Anthrax
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"trust the government?? what are you, some kind of moron?"
Two things... Since I often do league races via Nascar Racing 3, it means
that I normally do the same movement or 2 over a course of 2-3hours. I
develop normal fatigue to my right arm faster than my left arm.
Also, since my accident, I wear what we call up here a "Sac magique"
sometimes under yellow, which is a bag filled up with rice. You can warm it
up in the microwave or frozen it. It goes on my neck, so I can rest it.
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-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:45:07 -0800, "Dean Williams"
"Honey,this chair is making my legs numb again, I think we better
order that HyperStimulator".
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Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.
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ROFL, you go guy!!! Liberate yourself!! :o)
Destin
My advice, take note of how you feel. And don't let your anxiety run
wild and jump to conclusions, I used to be bad about that until I got so bad
I was having severe anxiety and full blown panic attacks, which lead me to
seeing a psychiatrist, which I still see every 3 months for followups. Panic
attacks/high anxiety/heart palpitations all combined to appear like heart
attacks, heart problems, etc. The reason I ended up getting checked out by 2
diff hospitals, local and veterans administration hosp's, and after all
those many tests, I was "fine". They sent me to the mental ward, put me on
prozac and I've been running away ever since, they won't get me!!! Hehehe,
ok, just kidding there, but actually they put me on something called
Alprazolam, which is same thing as Xanax. Anti-anxiety medication. So now if
i feel an attack coming on, I pop one of those tiny pills and I'm chilling
out and feeling no stress the rest of the day. :)
Here's some things to look for, me being a long time gamer and falling
victim to several *** health problems. If you feel tingling in your hands
or forearms, that's a good sign you're either doing quite alot of typing, or
playing first person shooter games like Quake2 and such. I was ***ed to
Quake2 for a long time, almost 2 years, and my girlfriend was the one that
got me to play the game, lol. So between a couple hours of chatting with her
online every night when we couldn't be together any other way, long distance
romance thing, and the hours we'd share on the various quake2 servers, it
got to where my arms and hands downright HURT. I even came down with a brief
case of carpal tunnel syndrome. That SUCKS. Hurts to close your hands or
ball them in a fast, to hold something, to move your fingers. Feels like
your tendons and muscles are burning, on fire, etc.
I would always get nausea when playing Quake2 and Duke Nukem, Doom,
etc.... Most of that was attributed to the flashing lights, explosions, and
good old motion sickness. Quake2 was the first really "virtual reality" type
game I ever really got into. And the way it is, you're moving around,
walking, running, jumping, falling, all around the landscapes like you would
in real life. And all the *** around to shoot someone, running fast
through narrow hallways, firing like mad, dodging all around to avoid
getting shot or killed, lol, after 30 minutes of that I'd be to the point of
puking. Which I did several times the first month I played those games
pretty heavy. Even had to cut short the quality time with my girlfriend
cause I was too busy running between the computer and bathroom in order to
keep from puking all over the house, floor, computer, etc. One good thing I
learned in Quake 2 was that you could turn off the screen flashing.
Everytime you got shot, the screen would flash like a strobe light. If
someone shoot you up with a machinegun, oh lord, the screen is flashing like
a disco playing a fast beat disco song, ROFL. Or one of those new generation
rAVE songs with strobe light set to the music, lol. Anyways, after disabling
the screenflashing, 95% of nausea went away. Only rarely would it happen
after that. And also I'd be prone to migraines/headaches from time to time,
cause of all that damn flashing. It was like damn ID Software was
intentionally doing that to make people sick, lol, amazing as that sounds.
Mostly what I get from racing games is the sore shoulders, most probably a
posture related thing. Hunched over the wheel and trying to sit in a
position which is comfy to reach the foot pedals, wheel and still be fairly
close to monitor, close enough to see comfortably. That probably leads to
headaches at times from staring at the screen so intently and for long
periods of time. I know I'm bad about "staring" at the track to make sure
I'm in the groove and also taking note of other cars in my field of view. So
sometimes I have to force myself to take the eyes off the monitor from time
to time, to avoid eye strain and headaches. That turned into a good thing,
since this past month, PCXL magazine included not only a feature of the very
beautiful Stevie "KillCreek" Case (#1 female Quake player on the planet,
whipped the ID guys, they ask her advice now, also works for Ion Storm
helping create Daikatana, among other things). Anyways, she's a *major
babe*. Leaned that poster on my left computer speaker to give me some eye
candy to look at during long races. Such as when I'm on the backstretch at
Talladega, I'd be safe to look around, excersize my eyes and drooling over
Stevie, lol. And yeah, it does work and helps me keep from getting eye
strain and headaches.
Another *HUGE* thing you want to do, especially someone like me having to
use a cheap monitor that you can afford till you can save up for a cadillac
of a top o' line monitor, and that is to run a good resolution that also
allows you to run a high refresh rate. I *NEVER* run above 800x600, even
though I can comfortably go on up to 1600x1200 if I wanted, but above 800
res with my cheap monitor, i'm forced to use 60hz refresh rates. Not only
will it give me a performance hit (slightly lower fps from lower refresh
alone), but there is a noticeable flickering with 60hz. That right there
will give you headaches, for real, and eyestrain.
I been using computers and playing games since the mid-80's and going back
to my beloved old Amiga's, which I still have and use. On those, same deal,
good looking resolutions caused flickering, cause I was running higher than
what my system at the time could handle basically. I mean, sure it could run
it, but it did so at the expense of lower refresh rates. That caused
flickering, that cause lower overall system performance, and also caused a
noticeable drop in framerate.
Don't let anyone give you any BS to the contrary. Sure, Joe Blow down the
street might run his GPL, N3, MGPRS2, SCGT, etc, etc, in 1024 and greater
resolutions, but what is he sacrificing in the process? Even if he has a
P3/Athlon 750 motoring along with a GeForce (GeWhiz?) or V3, what's his
refresh rate of his monitor? See any flickering going on?? What's his fps
32bit??
Without starting into a whole other ballpark, think about this... low
refresh mostly, not always = lower fps ... higher color depth setting (32bit
vs 16bit) = major fps loss ..... higher resolutions = noticeable,
sometimes huge, fps loss.
The m***of that? Run within the limits of your machine, if you wanna run
video card that can handle it. Otherwise it's a waste of time and
horsepower.
But mainly, keep your video flicker-free and you won't get headaches and eye
strain from it, hehe.
Destin
> > I get a sharp pain in my left shoulder, and often my left arm goes numg
> for
> > a bit. usually this is accompanied by a feeling of pressure in the
middle
> of
> > my chest, and palpatiations,.... I often feel very light headed and out
of
> > breath when this occurs, as well as slightly nauseated,...
> As others have said, you'd best see a physician. Those symptoms,
especially
> when combined with pain/tingling radiating to the left arm and neck, can
be
> signs of serious cardiovascular problems. This isn't something to be
taken
> lightly, especially with the nausea and light headedness.
> And as an aside, I sure hope that there are no lawyers reading this
thread.
> If they can win huge settlements from McDonald's over spilled coffee,
> imagine what they'd do with this.
I mean, after all, we spend several hours a week doing this, and we should
strive for a comfortable position, because if we don't (and there are
indications that many people don't), we can end up with trouble.
I have found a optimum position at home. A low chair with more than 90 degrees
in the hips, my ***is around 35 cms above ground. My feet are placed about 10
cms above ground (the base of my pedals is 10 cms high). My LWFF is placed on
the table, but I have put something under the base in front of the unit, so
that the wheel is tilted towards vertical ( I am sitting lower than usual ).
I have been experimenting a lot with my driving position, and I have found a
comforable one. Earlier I could have pain in both shoulders after a nerve
grueling race, but now, I don't.
I think the single most important racing rig dimension is the distance between
you shoulders and your wheel. Too far away, and you have to stretch your arms
to reach the wheel. No good. And even worse when you have to bend forward to
reach the wheel. That is going to hurt after a couple of minutes.
Too high, and you'll get shoulder trouble. I'd say that the hands on the wheel
should be somewhere in between 10 and 20 cms lower than your shoulders... And
the distance? Depending on arm length, but I'd say that your elbow should have
100-130 degrees.
Hehe, our sport is getting serious, we're discussing driving position
ergonomics!
---Asgeir---
> My advice, take note of how you feel. And don't let your anxiety run
>wild and jump to conclusions, I used to be bad about that until I got so bad
>I was having severe anxiety and full blown panic attacks, which lead me to
>seeing a psychiatrist, which I still see every 3 months for followups. Panic
>attacks/high anxiety/heart palpitations all combined to appear like heart
>attacks, heart problems, etc. The reason I ended up getting checked out by 2
>diff hospitals, local and veterans administration hosp's, and after all
>those many tests, I was "fine". They sent me to the mental ward, put me on
>prozac and I've been running away ever since, they won't get me!!! Hehehe,
>ok, just kidding there, but actually they put me on something called
>Alprazolam, which is same thing as Xanax. Anti-anxiety medication. So now if
>i feel an attack coming on, I pop one of those tiny pills and I'm chilling
>out and feeling no stress the rest of the day. :)
> Here's some things to look for, me being a long time gamer and falling
>victim to several *** health problems. If you feel tingling in your hands
>or forearms, that's a good sign you're either doing quite alot of typing, or
>playing first person shooter games like Quake2 and such. I was ***ed to
>Quake2 for a long time, almost 2 years, and my girlfriend was the one that
>got me to play the game, lol. So between a couple hours of chatting with her
>online every night when we couldn't be together any other way, long distance
>romance thing, and the hours we'd share on the various quake2 servers, it
>got to where my arms and hands downright HURT. I even came down with a brief
>case of carpal tunnel syndrome. That SUCKS. Hurts to close your hands or
>ball them in a fast, to hold something, to move your fingers. Feels like
>your tendons and muscles are burning, on fire, etc.
> I would always get nausea when playing Quake2 and Duke Nukem, Doom,
>etc.... Most of that was attributed to the flashing lights, explosions, and
>good old motion sickness. Quake2 was the first really "virtual reality" type
>game I ever really got into. And the way it is, you're moving around,
>walking, running, jumping, falling, all around the landscapes like you would
>in real life. And all the *** around to shoot someone, running fast
>through narrow hallways, firing like mad, dodging all around to avoid
>getting shot or killed, lol, after 30 minutes of that I'd be to the point of
>puking. Which I did several times the first month I played those games
>pretty heavy. Even had to cut short the quality time with my girlfriend
>cause I was too busy running between the computer and bathroom in order to
>keep from puking all over the house, floor, computer, etc. One good thing I
>learned in Quake 2 was that you could turn off the screen flashing.
>Everytime you got shot, the screen would flash like a strobe light. If
>someone shoot you up with a machinegun, oh lord, the screen is flashing like
>a disco playing a fast beat disco song, ROFL. Or one of those new generation
>rAVE songs with strobe light set to the music, lol. Anyways, after disabling
>the screenflashing, 95% of nausea went away. Only rarely would it happen
>after that. And also I'd be prone to migraines/headaches from time to time,
>cause of all that damn flashing. It was like damn ID Software was
>intentionally doing that to make people sick, lol, amazing as that sounds.
>Mostly what I get from racing games is the sore shoulders, most probably a
>posture related thing. Hunched over the wheel and trying to sit in a
>position which is comfy to reach the foot pedals, wheel and still be fairly
>close to monitor, close enough to see comfortably. That probably leads to
>headaches at times from staring at the screen so intently and for long
>periods of time. I know I'm bad about "staring" at the track to make sure
>I'm in the groove and also taking note of other cars in my field of view. So
>sometimes I have to force myself to take the eyes off the monitor from time
>to time, to avoid eye strain and headaches. That turned into a good thing,
>since this past month, PCXL magazine included not only a feature of the very
>beautiful Stevie "KillCreek" Case (#1 female Quake player on the planet,
>whipped the ID guys, they ask her advice now, also works for Ion Storm
>helping create Daikatana, among other things). Anyways, she's a *major
>babe*. Leaned that poster on my left computer speaker to give me some eye
>candy to look at during long races. Such as when I'm on the backstretch at
>Talladega, I'd be safe to look around, excersize my eyes and drooling over
>Stevie, lol. And yeah, it does work and helps me keep from getting eye
>strain and headaches.
>Another *HUGE* thing you want to do, especially someone like me having to
>use a cheap monitor that you can afford till you can save up for a cadillac
>of a top o' line monitor, and that is to run a good resolution that also
>allows you to run a high refresh rate. I *NEVER* run above 800x600, even
>though I can comfortably go on up to 1600x1200 if I wanted, but above 800
>res with my cheap monitor, i'm forced to use 60hz refresh rates. Not only
>will it give me a performance hit (slightly lower fps from lower refresh
>alone), but there is a noticeable flickering with 60hz. That right there
>will give you headaches, for real, and eyestrain.
>I been using computers and playing games since the mid-80's and going back
>to my beloved old Amiga's, which I still have and use. On those, same deal,
>good looking resolutions caused flickering, cause I was running higher than
>what my system at the time could handle basically. I mean, sure it could run
>it, but it did so at the expense of lower refresh rates. That caused
>flickering, that cause lower overall system performance, and also caused a
>noticeable drop in framerate.
>Don't let anyone give you any BS to the contrary. Sure, Joe Blow down the
>street might run his GPL, N3, MGPRS2, SCGT, etc, etc, in 1024 and greater
>resolutions, but what is he sacrificing in the process? Even if he has a
>P3/Athlon 750 motoring along with a GeForce (GeWhiz?) or V3, what's his
>refresh rate of his monitor? See any flickering going on?? What's his fps
>32bit??
>Without starting into a whole other ballpark, think about this... low
>refresh mostly, not always = lower fps ... higher color depth setting (32bit
>vs 16bit) = major fps loss ..... higher resolutions = noticeable,
>sometimes huge, fps loss.
>The m***of that? Run within the limits of your machine, if you wanna run
>video card that can handle it. Otherwise it's a waste of time and
>horsepower.
>But mainly, keep your video flicker-free and you won't get headaches and eye
>strain from it, hehe.
>Destin
Jan.
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The solution I found to getting my ***lower was to buy a cheap resin lawn
chair, and I then sawed 6 or so inches off the legs. That gets my ***down
closer to the level of the pedals, and the wheel is at my chest, instead of
at my stomach. Expense = $6.
Also, if you haven't tried putting a left-foot rest to the left side of your
pedal unit, give that a try. I was getting some big time lower back pain
from having my braking foot "poised" all the time. Now it rests just to the
left of the brake pedal and at the same height as the pedal so I can get on
the pedal fast.
Now, if I could just break myself of the death grip on the wheel, maybe my
left wrist would feel better.
Kurt
>I mean, after all, we spend several hours a week doing this, and we should
>strive for a comfortable position, because if we don't (and there are
>indications that many people don't), we can end up with trouble.
>I have found a optimum position at home. A low chair with more than 90
degrees
>in the hips, my ***is around 35 cms above ground. My feet are placed
about 10
>cms above ground (the base of my pedals is 10 cms high). My LWFF is placed
on
>the table, but I have put something under the base in front of the unit, so
>that the wheel is tilted towards vertical ( I am sitting lower than
The only pains I get are an occational mussle cramp from my brake foot.
But that's because my brake peddel isn't set right, or isn't at the right
height, distence, and swing.
I have a Chevy Monza Passenger seat from a junk yard and a lot of
plywood and 2x4's to create a racing***pit. total cost to me was $20.00
US. A***pit is easy as hell to build and cheap as can be. What this'll
get you is a driving possition that's perfect for any length of race. I
feel sory for those racing from a desk and only able to race for 8 or 10
laps at a time because it's about lap 8 or 10 when the tires are warmed
anough to race.
I think my wrists have gone bad already from using the keyboard and mouse
too much, especially those 100% race distances I used to do on GP2 with the
keyboard!
