rec.autos.simulators

I finally experienced Sim Heaven last night.

My Nirvana has always been an accurate rally Sim - one in which I could
balance a RWD car sideways making throttle as well as steering corrections
through bends. Rally Trophy was the most realistic Sim until now, but never
had that degree of control - it was more a case of set the car up for the
corner and hope for the best.

I used to Rally and Autocross (dirt circuit) RWD cars for many years, and
always dreamt of hopping into a Sim and just driving exactly like I did in
real life. When I first tried LFS - my first track was the RallyX, not the
circuit, but was dissapointed by the understeer, especially on the 180
degree sweeping left hander on the first dirt section (where you change from
3rd down to 2nd as you brake).

Last night, I created a new car profile and made some simple changes from
the RallyCross settings, being Knobbly tyres, rear wheel brake bias, and
stiffer suspension.

Suddenly, the car (XR GT) handles just like my beloved 2 Litre Escort of
many moon ago. For the first time on any Sim, I'm able to do a perfectly
controlled power slide through any corner, and precisely tighten my line
with the throttle. I can even through the car sideways under brakes into a
90 degree corner, get the power on early, and slide the car around the apex
on full opposite lock, just using throttle steering. Scandanavian flicks can
also be perfectly executed.

I'm going to practice for a little longer, then race online. Its going to be
very interesting racing against the GPLers with their neat, neutral lines
:-))))))))

However, first I have to go out and get some Red Bull, as I went to bed at
4AM this morning......

Tim

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Ian P
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You need the front tyres to be able to grip and give you turn in, so that
you can then use the power to control the oversteer once you are sliding.

Also, for power slides to be effective, you need the front tyres on opposite
lock to be able to balance the pendulum effect of the rears, otherwise
you'll be spinning out instead of sliding out.

If the surface is slightly loose they sometimes cut some shallow grooves
in them, the depth and number varying as to how lose it actually is,
it's not common to se RallyX cars on "pure" gravel tyres like you
sometimes see on Rally cars unless the class regs outlaws slicks of
course :-), if it's raining it's a different ball game of course

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com

What is Scandanavian flicks ?

Is it what we call in france "appeal/counter appeal", that's mean you
first turn the car left for a right turn to increase the angular
inertia during the right curve ?

Sebastien TIXIER - Game Developer
Dynamics and Car Physics
http://www.eden-studios.fr
GPLRank Normal:-44.24   Monster:-124.44

We often use the word "Scando" as a slang abbreviation for a scandanavian
flick. It is named so because in the early 1960s the Fins were first to
master this on snow on ice.

As well as being useful to set the car up for a corner by first sliding a
little the "wrong" way, and letting the car slide back into the corner,
mastering a scando is very useful on S curves or a series of bends. It means
that you can come out of one curve on opposite lock, and immediately let the
car over-correct into oversteer the other way for the next curve.

Tim

   I was gonna go see a Scandanavian flick once but I didn't have legal ID.
dave henrie

Thanks,
Alex

Thanks,
Alex

"Uh... French turns?  No...  Swiss turns?.... No, that's not it...."

;o)