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by **Jonathon Gree** » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00

>go for it .its THE ultimate kick.....my pb is 1.06 and someting ...so
what
>as long as U have fun ..........

>>I want to start racing online, but my PB at Glen is only 1.06.39.

Hmmm... "Bracket" racing anybody?

I find that racing (be it real or simulated) is an awful lot more fun when
you have lots of people running broadly similiar lap times...

This might already have been done (I haven't looked at on-line racing yet
because I assumed that 1'32 round Monza and 1'06 round WG would just get me
laughed at!), but, let's say somebody was to set up a server with races set
up in a sort of "ladder". grouped by fastest/slowest laptime...

Break the fastest laptime and you get DQ'd (and "promoted" to the next
bracket up the ladder).

Break the slowest laptime (you'd need to allow a bit of latitude for "out"
laps and being slowed down by traffic, but I'm sure something could be
agreed) and you're "demoted" to the next slowest group.

This should allow everybody to find a race where they won't either get
totally demoralised or disapear into the distance...

What do people think?

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by **Olav K. Malm** » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00

> >go for it .its THE ultimate kick.....my pb is 1.06 and someting ...so
> what
> >as long as U have fun ..........

> >>I want to start racing online, but my PB at Glen is only 1.06.39.

> Hmmm... "Bracket" racing anybody?

> I find that racing (be it real or simulated) is an awful lot more fun when
> you have lots of people running broadly similiar lap times...

> This might already have been done (I haven't looked at on-line racing yet
> because I assumed that 1'32 round Monza and 1'06 round WG would just get me
> laughed at!), but, let's say somebody was to set up a server with races set
> up in a sort of "ladder". grouped by fastest/slowest laptime...

It is not you who are beeing laughed at but you who laugh at the hot-shots
who cut the hedges as Parabolica, if you can race consistently that is :)

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by **Jonathon Gree** » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00

>> ...I haven't

looked at on-line racing yet

Except that I seem to out-brake myself into the gravel trap at Parabolica on
a fairly regular basis too.

When you're approaching a 2nd gear bend at 190MPH the margin between braking
far too early and far too late seems very narrow!

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JG

by **Liutger Franze** » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

threshold breaking is only the best method if you hit the
breaking point exactly. there are lots of corners where I don't
use threshold breaking and the parabolica is one of them ;-)

Lio

by **Ruud van Ga** » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:44:41 +0100, Jan Hovius

>> > I turned the aids off when I started with GPL (about a year ago) and I
>> > still can't drive in the 1:27's at Monza! Damn!

>> > Andre

>> Yeah, I have never used the aids, but still can't turn 1:30 at Monza, you
>> lucky sod :) It's a year since i bought it too.

>It's good we're in the same league Olav, I can't beat that 1.30 either. At least
>there's some competition at the back of the IGPLC2 league too :o)

One thing I noticed the last few times I drove was that if I reduced
my 'driver induced oscillations' that this helped. Got a 3:24 at Spa
finally, broke my record with some 5 seconds.
In practice this means tighter steering; steer in at the right time.
Otherwise you'll have to correct your early or late steering, and the
car starts swaying a bit.
Smoooooottthhhhness.... Another key to GPL heaven.

Ruud van Gaal
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by **Eldre** » Sun, 05 Dec 1999 04:00:00

>> > I turned the aids off when I started with GPL (about a year ago) and I
>> > still can't drive in the 1:27's at Monza! Damn!

>> > Andre

>> Yeah, I have never used the aids, but still can't turn 1:30 at Monza, you
>> lucky sod :) It's a year since i bought it too.

>It's good we're in the same league Olav, I can't beat that 1.30 either. At
>least
>there's some competition at the back of the IGPLC2 league too :o)

>Jan.

Ok, now I don't feel so bad. I though you two were WAY faster...
<g>
Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Sun, 05 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Then the problem must be that I don't KNOW when to turn in...and the practice
laps aren't telling me... :-(

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by **Peter Prochazk** » Sun, 05 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Oh, they'll tell you quite good! If you're constantly going wide on the apex
(means you're not *just* missing the inside curbs) you turn in too late. If
you always ride over the inside curbs (or have to take action to avoid this)
you turn in too early. The common problem seems to be to turn in too late. I
always try to turn in a tick earlier than I want to do (and I ride the
inside curbs quite often :-)). But I also have problems getting the right
turn-in point on some corners, like the left-handers in Silverstone and our
all-time-favourite, the Masta-Kink... :-(

BTW, still a right-foot braker, Eldred?

Peter
Vienna, Austria

by **Jazzbo** » Mon, 06 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Lio,

Threshold breaking ? Please enlighten a newbie: all the different ways
to brake...

Thanks!

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 07 Dec 1999 04:00:00

>> Then the problem must be that I don't KNOW when to turn in...and the
>practice
>> laps aren't telling me... :-(

>Oh, they'll tell you quite good! If you're constantly going wide on the apex
>(means you're not *just* missing the inside curbs) you turn in too late. If
>you always ride over the inside curbs (or have to take action to avoid this)
>you turn in too early. The common problem seems to be to turn in too late. I
>always try to turn in a tick earlier than I want to do (and I ride the
>inside curbs quite often :-)). But I also have problems getting the right
>turn-in point on some corners, like the left-handers in Silverstone and our
>all-time-favourite, the Masta-Kink... :-(

>BTW, still a right-foot braker, Eldred?

Yes, I am. I had gotten almost decent at left-foot braking at Monza, but I
couldn't duplicate that at any other track. Not even Watkins...
I can't get the left-handers at Silverstone right, either. I'm not quite sure
why. I'd *think* I've done enough laps. As for riding the curbs, I normally
don't have a problem with that. The only time I do is if I'm being chased by
the AI, or if I'm tired(low concentration). I'm not sure what this says about
my driving style, except that I'm ALWAYS turning late...<sigh>
Oh, when I've tried turning early on purpose, I end up over the curbs...

Eldred
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by **Don Scurlo** » Tue, 07 Dec 1999 04:00:00

This is also my single biggest problem combined with coming in to fast.
I believe it's a perception thing. The corner rushes up on you at the last
second. I have a few years of real racetrack time and I never had this problem.
I believe it's inherent in the two dimemsional world, there's no depth
perception. What would help some is brake markers. It is common on race day to
put up two or three brake markers before turns to give drivers a reference
point for their braking. They use them in the real world, I wonder if they
were used in 67 gp racing. If so, lets have a patch. If not, lets have a patch
anyway.
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by **Eldre** » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00

And, the lack of decent brake markers is compounded if you turn down the
details to get a good framerate. Then, you lose what brake markers you DO
have...
Silverstone and Spa seem to be the worst for me...

Eldred
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by **Sebastien Tixie** » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Buy a video projector :o)
i've just test it this WE.
I have one because i've my PC in my Home theater system !

WOAW ! GPL on Video Projector, image zize : 1m25 x 0,90m

I was REALLY submerged in the game, big precision, more consistent.

i've play several races ( spa,glen ), and do few hotlpas at monza, i've
improved my record from 1m28s68 to 1m28s38, so if i retry harder
i think i could break 1m28s :o)

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by c » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00

almost every corner on every track except for a few corners have a dark
groove you can use for a breaking point. brake jsut after, just at, or some
rare corners, just before.

sracer

by **Peter Prochazk** » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Well, I normally judge my braking points by the racing groove (or some
nearby sign or spectators). But I have some problems with the corners where
you don't need to brake. When I have to brake hard for a corner, I have my
braking point and a certain rhythm to downshift and turn in. If I've missed
the braking point *slightly* I can normally catch the car at turn-in
somehow. But when I don't need to brake for the corner, I find it very
difficult to find the right turn in point, 'cause all happens very fast and
a slight error causes you to miss the corner completely. This combined with
the fact, that the amount of easing off the throttle in such corners
influences your turning radius and cornering speed quite much, makes these
fast turns quite *** for me.
Well, but it can be done! (practice, practice). I've seen a Wolfgang Woeger
WR replay at Spa (3:13.something), where he takes the Masta Kink at nearly
300 kph (just going down to 298 shortly), incredible! When I take it at over
270, this means certain death to my 'virtual alter ego' at the fence!

Peter
Vienna, Austria

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