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Jeffrey Haa

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by Jeffrey Haa » Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:00:00

On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 03:31:17 GMT, "Ed Solheim" <esolheim[S P A M G U A


>The 333SP featured in the shots is, as far as I can see, equipped with
>rain-tires.
>Pirelli's - I would imagine.

>All major racing car series is the world, bar F1, use slick tires today...

Ahh, forgot about wets, so used to rain not being included with
sims...
Peter Nilss

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by Peter Nilss » Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hey, I heard they were gonna use sound code from Ford Racing!
<SHRUG>      :-)

/petern

On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:15:41 -0800, "don hodgdon"


>We are going to be in Sim Heaven if they can reproduce the sound of the Judd
>V10.

>Of course, I won't say the same for the neighbors<vbg>.

>don

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>>> Visit our World Sports Cars Dossier for the First Look, the 27 new
>>> screenshots or post your comments, ideas and questions on our dedicated
>>> World Sports Cars Forum.

>>> Check it out at http://www.simracingnews.com/worldsportscars/

>>Unbelieveable, thats all I have to say!

Jalo

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by Jalo » Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Is that good? I've not played Ford racing.

jbo..

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by jbo.. » Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Actually, the anticipation and build-up reminds me a lot more of Trans-
Am Racing 1967-1972 . . . and look at how much we're enjoying THAT
title these days.  Oh, wait -- that would be "The Dukes Of Hazard" now,
wouldn't it?  Hmmm . . .

Sorry to be such a wet blanket about all this, but I can't help but
feel that a project like this with such lofty aspirations and no
definite deadline has the potential to be either truly great, or to be
the ultimate form of vaporware -- and until we see the finished
product, the jury is still out.  And if/when it DOES materialize, I'm
guessing that even those of you with Athlon 700 systems or better will
still be sorely taxed to run it.

I do admit that it looks and sounds great, but until I see the final
product run on MY computer, I'm going to try to keep the e***ment in
check.

-- JB



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Alan Orto

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by Alan Orto » Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:00:00

It would probably be Horrid, but it's not true. Ford Racing was
Developed by different People.



> > Hey, I heard they were gonna use sound code from Ford Racing!
> > <SHRUG>      :-)

> Is that good? I've not played Ford racing.

James Wohleve

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by James Wohleve » Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:00:00

On the following date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:37:13 GMT, said person(s)

I hate to be a stick-in-the-mud about this too but I feel when
something looks too good to be true it always is.

Graphics that photo-realisitc HAVE to have a price somewhere.
Either dumb AI, slow-as-molasses frame rates or SOMETHING.

Tell me I need a 1GHZ machine with 256 Megs RAM and a GeForce card to
run it at 25 fps and THEN I will believe the hype.

Or better yet, put out a tech demo showing it work. With AI and
running on a 400Mhz P2 with 64 megs of RAM and a TNT2 Ultra card.

Screenshots don't mean diddly.

Being an avid flight-simmer as well I remember when all the hype about
Flanker 2.0 was spreading.
The company released some fatalistic screen shots of the game.

After closer inspection myself and some others said no f***ing way.
Too crisp and smooth. The screenshots look doctored.

Well, as it turns out Flanker 2 does NOT look like the screen shots
showed.

I posted a review about Ford Racing a while back and the folks making
WSC contacted me the next day saying how Ford Racing was not what they
wanted to make.

They said they wanted my input as a beta tester and would be
contacting me shortly.

Hmmp.. I haven't heard diddly from them since that last e-mail 2
months ago and it looks like SOME people are already beta testing for
them.

Did they just do it (ask me to beta test) to shut me up?
Or maybe they only want people who will spread the good word about how
great WSC is going to be to beta test?

Makes one wonder.

- James "Gunslinger" Wohlever

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Chris Wes

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by Chris Wes » Thu, 13 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hi Ray
The suspension is fully modelled and moves correctly, it is the only way to
get the dynamic roll centres the handling model needs. I have set the cars
up to have massive suspension movement to test the changing camber etc as
the wheel moves up and down. Hopefully we will be able to post some videos
soon (publisher willing) to show the suspension at work, anyone at ECTS last
year who saw the game could tell you it is done correctly and not just a
case of moving the wheel up and down a little and making the body roll.
Chris

>cool...

>one thought - suspension movement - didn't see any.
>any pix to prove me wrong?  or in development still?

>Ray

Chris Wes

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by Chris Wes » Thu, 13 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Hi There
Just a quick post to say WSC has nothing at all to do with Ford Racing, it
is totally independant.


>Hey, I heard they were gonna use sound code from Ford Racing!
><SHRUG>      :-)

>/petern

>On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:15:41 -0800, "don hodgdon"

>>We are going to be in Sim Heaven if they can reproduce the sound of the
Judd
>>V10.

>>Of course, I won't say the same for the neighbors<vbg>.

>>don

>>[|]-(_)-[|]


>>>> Visit our World Sports Cars Dossier for the First Look, the 27 new
>>>> screenshots or post your comments, ideas and questions on our dedicated
>>>> World Sports Cars Forum.

>>>> Check it out at http://www.simracingnews.com/worldsportscars/

>>>Unbelieveable, thats all I have to say!

Peter Nilss

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by Peter Nilss » Thu, 13 Jan 2000 04:00:00




>> Hey, I heard they were gonna use sound code from Ford Racing!
>> <SHRUG>      :-)

>Is that good? I've not played Ford racing.

It was my bad attempt at an initiated joke. Ford Racing has
embarrassingly bad sound.

/petern

Peter Nilss

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by Peter Nilss » Thu, 13 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Note the smiley. Ford Racing has embarrassingly bad sound.

/petern

On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:20:03 -0000, "Chris West"


>Hi There
>Just a quick post to say WSC has nothing at all to do with Ford Racing, it
>is totally independant.


>>Hey, I heard they were gonna use sound code from Ford Racing!
>><SHRUG>      :-)

>>/petern

/
Joel Willstei

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by Joel Willstei » Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:00:00


> Actually, the anticipation and build-up reminds me a lot more of Trans-
> Am Racing 1967-1972 . . . and look at how much we're enjoying THAT
> title these days.  Oh, wait -- that would be "The Dukes Of Hazard" now,
> wouldn't it?  Hmmm . . .

> Sorry to be such a wet blanket about all this, but I can't help but
> feel that a project like this with such lofty aspirations and no
> definite deadline has the potential to be either truly great, or to be
> the ultimate form of vaporware -- and until we see the finished
> product, the jury is still out.  And if/when it DOES materialize, I'm
> guessing that even those of you with Athlon 700 systems or better will
> still be sorely taxed to run it.

> I do admit that it looks and sounds great, but until I see the final
> product run on MY computer, I'm going to try to keep the e***ment in
> check.

> -- JB

John,

    I feel the same way as you. We've been disappointed too many times. The
list is endless. Even CPR was hyped by Microsoft as being the next step in
racing sims. At least it made the retail shelves.  The Can-Am, and Trans-Am
sims never even got that far, and all we read here was how great they were.

    I read the interview, and looked at all the pics. And WSC has the
makings of the next benchmark of auto racing sims. But as you said, looks is
one thing, trying out the finished product or beta is quite another matter.

    All I know for sure is that they are "creating" WSC on a P11/450. So
hopefully the majority of us can run it as it was intended to be run.

Joel Willstein

Scott B. Huste

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by Scott B. Huste » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Joel,

Just to be fair, the CAN-AM sim by Motorsims got canned because of the state
of confusion with the SCCA and the other sanctioning bodies in regards to
sports car racing.  SCCA pulled the plug on the CAN-AM series last year and
thus Motorsims, who own a SCCA license, cancelled the title along with it.

Although the original TA sim was cancelled, Motorsims is currently working
on a Trans-Am title.

However, I agree with you guys.  I do not count on anything until I have
actually had a chance to test the title.

Scott
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> > Actually, the anticipation and build-up reminds me a lot more of Trans-
> > Am Racing 1967-1972 . . . and look at how much we're enjoying THAT
> > title these days.  Oh, wait -- that would be "The Dukes Of Hazard" now,
> > wouldn't it?  Hmmm . . .

> > Sorry to be such a wet blanket about all this, but I can't help but
> > feel that a project like this with such lofty aspirations and no
> > definite deadline has the potential to be either truly great, or to be
> > the ultimate form of vaporware -- and until we see the finished
> > product, the jury is still out.  And if/when it DOES materialize, I'm
> > guessing that even those of you with Athlon 700 systems or better will
> > still be sorely taxed to run it.

> > I do admit that it looks and sounds great, but until I see the final
> > product run on MY computer, I'm going to try to keep the e***ment in
> > check.

> > -- JB

> John,

>     I feel the same way as you. We've been disappointed too many times.
The
> list is endless. Even CPR was hyped by Microsoft as being the next step in
> racing sims. At least it made the retail shelves.  The Can-Am, and
Trans-Am
> sims never even got that far, and all we read here was how great they
were.

>     I read the interview, and looked at all the pics. And WSC has the
> makings of the next benchmark of auto racing sims. But as you said, looks
is
> one thing, trying out the finished product or beta is quite another
matter.

>     All I know for sure is that they are "creating" WSC on a P11/450. So
> hopefully the majority of us can run it as it was intended to be run.

> Joel Willstein


Chris Bloo

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by Chris Bloo » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Its nice to see that there are some game/sim developers who do read this NG
and take the time to participate.  No doubt the above message will nip in
the bud any uncertainty about that particular topic and prevent any
negative discussions that could have occurred.

Chris



David Ewin

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by David Ewin » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00


> Just to be fair, the CAN-AM sim by Motorsims got canned because of the state
> of confusion with the SCCA and the other sanctioning bodies in regards to
> sports car racing.  SCCA pulled the plug on the CAN-AM series last year and
> thus Motorsims, who own a SCCA license, cancelled the title along with it.

Yeah, but who cares about modern Can-Am anyway?  The real Can-Am was the mid
sixties to mid 70's (Jim Hall and his Chaparrals, Bruce McLaren and Dennis
Hulme in the McLaren, Mark Donohue and the Porsche ....).  However, with the
poor sales of GPL, the likelihood of seeing this wonderful era represented in a
sim are probably pretty remote.

Dave Ewing

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James Wohleve

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by James Wohleve » Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:00:00

On the following date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:26:48 -0700, said person(s)


>> Just to be fair, the CAN-AM sim by Motorsims got canned because of the state
>> of confusion with the SCCA and the other sanctioning bodies in regards to
>> sports car racing.  SCCA pulled the plug on the CAN-AM series last year and
>> thus Motorsims, who own a SCCA license, cancelled the title along with it.

>Yeah, but who cares about modern Can-Am anyway?  The real Can-Am was the mid
>sixties to mid 70's (Jim Hall and his Chaparrals, Bruce McLaren and Dennis
>Hulme in the McLaren, Mark Donohue and the Porsche ....).  However, with the
>poor sales of GPL, the likelihood of seeing this wonderful era represented in a
>sim are probably pretty remote.

Oh Lord, let's hope not.
I don't think I could stomach another 30 year old era super sim.
Why the hell can't they make a modern sim as realistic as GPL?
Just one, that is all I ask.

- James "Gunslinger" Wohlever

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