> >> If there is no Monaco on this sim I'll consider it a disgrace. Monaco is
> >> the jewel of Formula One. Papyrus should be crucified if they do not put
> it
> >> in the sim.
> wrong again Charles, in F1 now, the race that people want to win are either
> Italy or Belgium. Back in the 1960's, they all want to tame the Nurburgring
> monster
> You are so wrong. Why are people in this NG so misguided?
> You've "got a spectacular misunderstanding" about what Monaco represents to
> the F1 community. The cache of Monaco is so great that it has remained on
> the F1 calendar year in year out despite the fact that it is totally
> unsuitable for a present day F1 race. To get rid of Monaco is unthinkable
> to those who run F1.
> > Just a thought. But recreating a race track that was actually city streets in the condition it was in over 30 years ago would be a task of extrem difficulty.>>
> The only truly major change since 1967, other than the merely scenic,
> has been the re-routing of the quayside straight around the new swimming
> pool complex. Certainly the tunnel looks completely different, Rascasse
> is a new name but a very minor variation of its former trajectory, and
> the crowds are most emphatically not as well-dressed. Whatever else of
Easily recreated from photos?? I disagree. I think it was two years or
so ago that a sim was criticized for not having accurate simulations of
the tracks. I believe this was a papyrus title. They apparently were
using large amounts of photos, taken with the purpose of recreating a
race track on a computer. The photos were great for looks and general
shape, but more detailed measurements had to be made to accurately
represent the track. The photos you speak of were not even made with the
purpose of recreating the track in the digital world. and now the old
track is gone and there is no other way to make this representation.
I hope they include the track but I wont let myself believe it is a true
dipiction of what the track was like. I will be happy if its there at
all. And if they do come up with a way to make it accurate all the
better.
> >Just a thought. But recreating a race track that was actually city
> >streets in the condition it was in over 30 years ago would be a task of
> >extrem difficulty. I read someware that the streets have changed so much
> >that racers who actually raced there at theat time dont even recognize
> >most of the course. And working from old city plans and diagrams wont
> >reveal any of the minor details witch destinguished it. At the beast the
> >can create a general aproximation but there is no longer any way to know
> >how close you got to the real thing.
> All that goes for any race track though, they've all been through
> significant variations with corners being made wider, tighter, bumps
> being evened out, surface material being changed, etc. There may not even
> be accurate plans of the old track layouts.
Sorry, as I posted elswere I don't think it is posible to recreate the
feel of a track from photoes or even film. There is too much the camera
dosenot see. However with film you can see how the cars react but it
still leaves the thought why did they react in that way? what caused
this or that. I have done alot of model building from photos and in
every case once the actual object was compared there were some major
flaws. Perhape with some really major tech. thrown in a good
representation can be made from these films but I doubt the companys
would be willing to spend that kind of money on the creation of a sim.
Dosent it seem siliy that this would be an issue? Normaly things such as
city streets are public domain when making representations of them.
(think of postcards) In fact it is perfectly legal to use the name of
companys and places in works of fiction and even book based games
(RPG's) but you cant do anything with them in a computer game without
there ok. I find a paradox with all this.
Actually I think reproducing any of these tracks as they were will be/
was difficult to do. Monaco may be more so though. Your right tough, no
matter what the result, wether acurate or not, we wont notice the flaws.
I never raced there so I could never tell the difference. If monico
makes it into the game I would like to hear the impressions of some
drivers that did really race there.
Yes very sad!
Lets all hope Monaco makes it into the game. I havent had a good racer
in a while and this game has certinly got me interested again.
Unfortanately I have to upgrade the computer just to play it, but I have
to do that anyway.
**Spelling mistakes are curtasy of my laziness to use my spell
checker.**
Aha! Does the name "Doctor Evil" mean anything to you, Austin? Hmmmm?
> >On second thoughts, you're not French-Canadian by any chance, are you?
> >> You are so wrong. Why are people in this NG so misguided?--
> >Bruce.
> >(At home)
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> I hope it's in there, as racing a '67 GP car around Monaco would be
> awesome, but given the choice of Monaco v's Spa, or perhaps Monaco v's
> Nurburgring and I'd forget Monaco.
Sorry, it`s just that I love that track SO much and having on a couple
of occasions gone round the Nordschleife reasonably fast in roadcars, I
want to do it in a (simulated) racecar as well :-D
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
UncleGoy on TEN
> No I am an International Man of Mystery; born in Brazil raised in Europe,
> Far East, and Canada and possess three citizenships plus a US green card.
> And I am not kidding!
Monaco is a classic track, just like Spa and Monza. I would like to see it
included in this game. It does not matter if the turns are not very accurate,
or if layout is not perfect. What matters is that this track is a classic.
Wouldn't you guys like to win a race in Monaco? I would!!!! I know it is a hard
track, specially for today's race cars, but it is fun to drive. Have you guys
ever tried to race a complete race in Monaco on GP2?? Is there anything more
challenging than make the first turn without crashing and without losing too
many positions??? Is there anything more challenging than trying to pass the
leader in the last laps???
I really would like to see it on GPL, it doesn't matter how good it is....
Cheers,
Domingos
Papy is probably trying VERY had to get all the tracks they want in.
But sometimes you run into licesing snares that you can do nothing
about, wheather you have $12.50 or $12.5 million... it's the same deal
with why Papy cant get Daytona in their NASCAR sims. I'm sure they
would LOVE to put that track in, but Sega has a deal where they get the
sole rights to the track. I'm sure Monaco wont be THAT complicated to
get, but somethimes there is just nothing you can do.
Brian Short
> >Were you just born stupid, or did you have to work at it?
> >GPL when released is gonna sell a gajillion copies. Figure
> >they sell 250,000 copies ( not unreasonable) at 50.00 each
> >Thats a gross revenue of 12.5 MILLION dollars.
> >Now tell me about not being able to afford a liscencing fee
> >( if there even is one) when every other F1 sim seems to
> >have Monaco.
> >BTW you now owe me a fee for reading your drivel.
> Monaco is still an F1 track today, and hence will most likely be
> covered under the FIA license.
> Cheers!
> John
Joe
> >Papy is probably trying VERY had to get all the tracks they want in.
> >But sometimes you run into licesing snares that you can do nothing
> >about, wheather you have $12.50 or $12.5 million... it's the same deal
> >with why Papy cant get Daytona in their NASCAR sims. I'm sure they
> >would LOVE to put that track in, but Sega has a deal where they get the
> >sole rights to the track. I'm sure Monaco wont be THAT complicated to
> >get, but somethimes there is just nothing you can do.
> Well, I think with that Germany track Papy will have earned people's
> forgiveness even if Monaco doesn't make it. ;-)
l8er
ronny
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