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 - Mike Boich
Rendition

Dave (davids) Sparks
Late Night League
http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

I don't know why either, that's just what I've heard works.

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Given that it already requires 24MB to load the 8-bit tracks, I have a
feeling that we'll have to wait for N3 for further improvements.

One other nugget no one's mentioned yet: The roof of your car is used to
paint the pit sign. One thing I wish they had done was take your car image
and use that to paint a hauler. It'd be pretty nice to see your own hauler
along the front straight at Sears. <g>

Dave (davids) Sparks
Late Night League
http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

Given that it already requires 24MB to load the 8-bit tracks, I have a
feeling that we'll have to wait for N3 for further improvements.

One other nugget no one's mentioned yet: The roof of your car is used to
paint the pit sign. One thing I wish they had done was take your car image
and use that to paint a hauler. It'd be pretty nice to see your own hauler
along the front straight at Sears. <g>

Dave (davids) Sparks
Late Night League
http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

Given that it already requires 24MB to load the 8-bit tracks, I have a
feeling that we'll have to wait for N3 for further improvements.

One other nugget no one's mentioned yet: The roof of your car is used to
paint the pit sign. One thing I wish they had done was take your car image
and use that to paint a hauler. It'd be pretty nice to see your own hauler
along the front straight at Sears. <g>

Dave (davids) Sparks
Late Night League
http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

Thanks

Mick in Tampa
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Dave (davids) Sparks
Late Night League
http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

So, all I want for Christmas is a N2 upgrade?  :-)   Actually,  it plays
very nice in SVGA on my 5x86 133 AMD, and on my Pentium.  Just not as good
as I expected for a ' Rendition Ready ' product.  Guess they spoiled me
with ICRII.

Not the same engine?  So we go from a 454 to a 305 or what?  Damn those
restrictor plates and boost limiters anyway!  :-)

:>>
:>> > <SNIP>
:>> > Mike Boich, glad you guys are paying attention to this group! What
:>> > about the frame rate issues? Are these going to be addressed to?
:>> > Rather have smooth frame rate than anti-aliasing personally. Rendition
:>> > version is almost unplayable on some tracks.
:>> >
:>> >  ..... snip...
:>>
:>> Are you playing the DMA version?  I was quite disappointed with a beta
:>> that I received, but then I realized that I didn't have the proper batch
:>> files, and was running without DMA.  With DMA, on a 133, my perception
:>> is that it is quite smooth, though not quite as perfect as Indycar2.
:>>
:>>  - Mike Boich
:>> Rendition
:>
:>The Seirra card supports the DMA version??? How about the Integraph?
:>Which one will give you better speed! I like the graphics but am mainly
:>concerned with the framerate. How would both these card compare to an
:>STB128(2.25mb)??? I have 32mb ram and 133 pentium,and an STB128. What do
:>they cost also??

ALL of the Rendition cards should work the samew since they're ALL using the
same core chipset.  I have two Reactors and they do in fact run the DMA
version - quite well...

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All the Rendition cards support the DMA version, which is significantly
faster.  While I'm not sure how Nascar2 (because it use using the 3D
acceleration) would compare to your card, in general the two cards are
very similar in terms of VESA speeds.  The Sierra and Creative boards
are $199, while Intergraph's is only $149.

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Yeah, that's for sure.  I ran a few laps on Indy yesterday, then let
out a dissapointed sigh with I brought up Nascar II.  It just doesn't
look anywhere near as ICR2 when you compare them side by side.  I sure
hope they get some patches out to upgrade the rendition support (and
fix some bugs).  I'm kind of suprised that they'd put that level of
detail into ICR2, which was basicaly a giveaway, and then let Nascar
II fall so far short of that.  Hopefully it was just time constraints,
and they'll fix it up to look as nice as Indy.

David

*** You're only young once, but you can stay immature forever ***

There's really only three things that are missing.  A minor point is
that the smoke and dirt isn't transparent in Nascar2, but I can live
with that.  There aren't objects in the rear-view mirror.  Again this
is not that big of a deal, but perhaps it will be added.  The other
difference (which is quite major IMO) is the lack of anti-aliasing.
This is being addressed in a patch, and hopefully Rendition/Papyrus
will be able to further optimize Nascar2 (just look how well VQuake
beta10 runs in comparison to the version that shipped with the
Reactor).

Try taking a few laps around Michigan in ICR2 and Nascar2.  The N2
version runs slower because there is a lot more stuff going on, but
aside from the differences I listed I still think it looks much better.

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Yeah, the no aiti-aliasing is a killer.  I agree that I could live
without the mirrors and smoke, but anti-aliasing is a must.  I hope
your right about the optimization too.  I found out I had something
set wrong in my bios, and my system was only recognizing 16 of my 32
meg, and thus I was using the 4 bit car set by default.  Now I'm
getting the 32, and the cars look great, but there seems to be a
substantial performance hit.  Whenever I go into a corner (especially
at a short track like Bristol), the screen gets very "jerky" for a few
seconds, and then picks up again.  I don't get this with the 4 bit
cars, so I assume the 8 bit cars are just pushing it over the edge.
Hopefully this is something they'll be able to smooth out in the
opimization.

BTW, do you know if there's a switch or a setting somewhere to tell it
whether to use 8 or 4 bit cars?  The 8 bit cars look great, but I'd
like to be able to manually set it to 4 bit to get better performance
on some tracks...

Well, I don't think I agree here.  Even with those 3 missing features,
I find Indy runs smoother than N2 with the 8 bit car sets, and I'd
think the fancy mirrors alone should more than make up for the extra
scenary in N2.  I hope your right and they can tune it up so that it
looks just as nice.

David

*** You're only young once, but you can stay immature forever ***

I don't think there is a switch, but it would a nice feature have to
test.

I was talking about just the look of track itself (disregarding the
current limitations of Nascar2: no objects in mirrors, no
anti-aliasing, no transparent smoke and dirt).  Performance differences
aside, I feel N2's version of Michigan looks much better than ICR2's
because of the all the added detail (more objects, the grandstands are
better, etc.).  Now if we could get ICR2-like performance and features
in N2 with its tracks...

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