I know, I'm adding nothing to the conversation.
- John P. Wilson :|:
- Downshift http://www.racesimcentral.net/
- Growing Fan of Sierra's "Grand Prix Legends" 1967 Computer Racing
Simulation
>>Well John, I'm afraid that neither statement is true of CPR.
>Hmmm, this is known as an "own shaft" - blowing your own theory right
>out the water.
>>Unless of
>>course you're referring to the speed-lane rev limiter and hitting the wall
>>of an oval at somewhere north of 200kph. You surely wouldn't be doing
that,
>>would you? Would you John? John?
>Of course not - I know it, you know it, everyone reading knows it. As
>regulars here will know I believe CPR to be very good in many
>respects, as with any sim it's when the zealots stop extolling it's
>virtues and try to paper over the cracks that they begin to look
>foolish. Enjoy CPR for what it is, praise it's virtues, acknowledge
>it's flaws.
>Drive along a straight as slowly as you like, now move gently toward a
>wall. Touch aforementioned wall with steering straight ahead - now
>come back and tell me the steering doesn't wildly leap to opposite
>lock. Beyond that, consider if your road car, an Indycar, a pedal car,
>any car at all behaves in this manner. If you STILL believe neither
>statement is true then it's time for you to move up a couple of
>dioptres...
>Cheers!
>John
Cheers!
John
Whoa there, we we're not "defending" anything. I pointed out that CPR
was unable to live up to the tag of "1,000 times better than ICR2"
that it was given - no more, no less.
Any of these things are a matter of how the sim in question meets your
impression of what the real thing should be - personal opinion in
other words. At least if people are arguing it shows that _some_
people like them.
That was one of the problems in ICR2 in my opinion, lack of feedback
on brake locking. Papyrus have addressed this in GPL and IMO it's very
good. OTOH you _should_ be able to stomp the brakes in an Indycar, the
downforce ensures the wheels are very unlikely to lock up until you
have scrubbed off some speed (and therefore grip and dwonforce). I
didn't like the fact that in CPR the wheels locked instantly with too
much brake. Still, others obviously like that.
Cheers!
John
The laptimes are the same because they were designed to be. In beta
versions the laptimes and car speeds were a _long_ way from realistic,
but these things are adjusted prior to release to match what you would
expect. It would actually be more surprising if the times DIDN'T match
real world.
Cheers!
John
> >Since I'm one of the few mnisguided fools (according to many) who actually
> >believe that Microsoft has been good for the PC industry you can't lay that
> >claim at my door.
> By making the above statement, you're agreeing with John K. His statement
> doesn't apply directly to you, but apparently you agree with him. Anyone who
> believes MS hasn't been good for the PC industry is more than a misguided
> fool. I'd say a stone cold moron is a better description.
l8er
ronny
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kiddo?"
|\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather,
ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep.
|,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car,
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!
> I think you need a hobby! Obviously too much time on your hands.
l8er
ronny
--
Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure,
kiddo?"
|\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather,
ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep.
|,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car,
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!
To be frank about this, I think the real reason CPR got the treatment it
did here was because the developers promised to support and improve the
product based on input from us the users. When people voiced their
concerns (all be it at times quite harshly), the developers took their
ball and went home, leaving us with an uncompleted simulation (one that
held quite alot of promise). I think more than anything, many people
took offense to this attitude and felt that they had been "duped" by the
hype and where short-changed in the process.
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No-one _could_ add anything to this discussion. It was an equine
corpse long before this and is to this day been mercilessly flogged.
Cheers!
John
> >I think you need a hobby! Obviously too much time on your hands.
> Well, at least it's nice to know it's not only sims that you formulate
> theories about based upon the most scant information.
> Cheers!
> John
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1/ Game is hyped to the hilt for over a year - Revolutionary, 6 degree of freedom physics
model. An MMX/D3D Showcase item! best this, best that etc.............
2/ Shipped for Xmas in alpha status!
3/ MS promises ongoing support but simply keeps sucking people into buying it and waiting
for all the 1 month refund opportunities to expire.
4/ TRI sees the light and flees into the open arms of G.O.D.
5/ Goodbye!
6/ People don't want to admit they've been suckered and defend CPR to the death - yes,
till their inevitable death! LOL.
My view is that MS had no idea how easy the likes of Papyrus were making racing sim
developement look! CPR should have probably been being released this Xmas, not last!
> % Yes, I do agree that a lot of the criticism of CPR (and particularly the
> % vitriol with which it was expressed) was due to it having "Microsoft" on
> % the box cover. But John K was saying that "Its problem is nothing more than
> % that it's a MS product." That is simply not true and I most certainly do
> % not agree with him on that aspect.
> To be frank about this, I think the real reason CPR got the treatment it
> did here was because the developers promised to support and improve the
> product based on input from us the users. When people voiced their
> concerns (all be it at times quite harshly), the developers took their
> ball and went home, leaving us with an uncompleted simulation (one that
> held quite alot of promise). I think more than anything, many people
> took offense to this attitude and felt that they had been "duped" by the
> hype and where short-changed in the process.
> --
> **************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
> Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
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