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MS Sidewinder FF usb Wheel help

Don Burnett

MS Sidewinder FF usb Wheel help

by Don Burnett » Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:42:50

Thanks Plowboy.

I installed with the same warning, and installed the profiles from the cd as
well. Interestingly, it never prompts me to " plug in" the Sidewinder, and I
remember thinking that was strange.

I have tried installing the software, both before, and after, originally
plugging in the Sidewinder, with the same results. Now, I have not tried it
with disabling the XP firewall, I may give that a try when I get  back in
town. I travel now most weeks, and have to rely on my weekends to do this
stuff.

I have a hunch, as someone else mentioned along this thread, Larry I think,
that somewhere along the way, an MS update to XP broke the recorder function
of the Sidewinder software.

I may play around with it a little more when I return.

Thanks,

Don


> Don, I could zip and email the drivers I use, but yeah it is version4, and
> on mine XP home and PRO systems, it works fine, maybe install it before
you
> do all the MS updates?  I havent tried to install the wheel, when XP is
> already on SP2 version of XP, but I have done it both on home and pro
> versions, I have the version 1 wheel & version 2 wheel (red grips)

> Yes, mine gave same warning, I said install it anyway, AND  I let it
install
> the "profiles" from the cd, the profiles included one pretty basic GPL
which
> I have modified a bit and use for all games, as I hate forgetting to
change
> the profile when switching games I play...  (gpl, nascar, GTlegends etc..)
> but I am finding I rfactor is best to build your own in a way although I
> havent run it for quite a while.  and that is done with the part of the MS
> sofware that apparently is dead to you at this time (you assign what
> keystroke is "emulated" when you press which button).

> Maybe, you might reinstall, MAKE SURE the wheel is unplugged until the
> Sidewinder install wants it plugged in.  Or maybe your missing the
VBruntime
> libraries or something (which I had installed usually all the time because
> of an app I have, I cant think of what else is going wrong, maybe shutoff
> the XP firewall until installed?

> drop me an email stingre via yahoo.  (yeah I meant to spell it that way
that
> is correct).

> Don Burnette enlightened us with:




> >>> After getting NR 2003 up and running successfully, I installed the
> >>> software for my MS Sidewinder FF usb wheel.

> >>> I installed the software for the wheel from the cd that came with
> >>> it. It is version 4, for the usb wheel. I believe this was the
> >>> latest software produced for this wheel? I searched the MS website
> >>> , and did not find any later drivers, realizing of course, support
> >>> is really not offered by MS anymore for this wheel.

> >>> The problem I am having, when I install on my XP Pro installation,
> >>> I get a warning message that it may not function properly, as it
> >>> recognizes my system as a windows NT/2000 installation.
> >>> It works ok, with the exception, of the recorder portion of the
> >>> software. If I try and launch the recorder, it closes with an
> >>> error message , something about a dll file.

> >>> Anyone know, of any later software that was offered for this wheel
> >>> for Windows XP, that might still be available somewhere? Or a
> >>> workaround for this issue?

> >>> I also have the original red Momo I could install and use, assuming
> >>> it would work ok in XP, however, for NR2003 I always preferred the
> >>> MS wheel, mainly for the increased pedal throw over the Momo.

> >>> Any help would be appreciated...

> >>> Thanks,

> >>> Don Burnette

> >> XP has native support for the wheel. I have never installed any
> >> drivers for it since ME. The only difference I have seen is that
> >> there is not seperate brake and accellerator axis' anymore. I am
> >> fairly sure it had that option before. Try unplugging the wheel,
> >> uninstall the drivers and plug the wheel in and let it autodetect.
> >> Make sure you have XPSP2 installed too. I have the MS FF USB and a
> >> black Momo and actually prefer the Momo. I wish I could somehow use
> >> the MS pedals as they are almost bulletproof where the Momo pedals
> >> fail frequently. Ed

> > Hmm, I could try that, however, I do have the option of setting
> > separate brake and accelerator
> > axis, which I prefer in NR 2003 , I would hate to lose that
> > function...
> > Don Burnette

Don Burnett

MS Sidewinder FF usb Wheel help

by Don Burnett » Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:44:50


Hmm, again, I am never prompted to plug the wheel in, during the
installation of the software.
Interesting, I wonder if this is somehow related, to the problem...

Thanks,

Don

Don Burnett

MS Sidewinder FF usb Wheel help

by Don Burnett » Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:47:31

Good info, unfortunately though, when I built this new machine and did a
clean install of XP, I did not have my profiles backed up.

Probably not that big a deal , for offline racing, I can probably do without
the recorder.

Don


> If you have working profiles backed up, just copy them to the profiles
> folder in the sidewinder program files folder.

> -Larry



> > I'm sure that would be acceptable to Don, could you outline the
> > proceedure Larry? It works fine on my machine, I could create the
> > profile here and send it to Don, or it it's asimple txt file he could
> > just create it..

> > GP


> >>The software will actually install (just ignore the Win98 warning).

> >>The problem is the Macro's tab in the profiler is dead.

> >>Otherwise it works ok.

> >>Luckily, I had my profiles backed up and just copy them over manually.

> >>-Larry

Larr

MS Sidewinder FF usb Wheel help

by Larr » Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:02:15

It's almost certainly an update.

If you fresh install Windows then the SideWinder software, it will work.

But somewhere along the way one of the Windows Updates mangles it.

Considering there are some 150 different updates for XP for a fresh install,
I've never had the time (or inclination) to try and figure out which one it
was :)

-Larry


> Thanks Plowboy.

> I installed with the same warning, and installed the profiles from the cd
> as
> well. Interestingly, it never prompts me to " plug in" the Sidewinder, and
> I
> remember thinking that was strange.

> I have tried installing the software, both before, and after, originally
> plugging in the Sidewinder, with the same results. Now, I have not tried
> it
> with disabling the XP firewall, I may give that a try when I get  back in
> town. I travel now most weeks, and have to rely on my weekends to do this
> stuff.

> I have a hunch, as someone else mentioned along this thread, Larry I
> think,
> that somewhere along the way, an MS update to XP broke the recorder
> function
> of the Sidewinder software.

> I may play around with it a little more when I return.

> Thanks,

> Don



>> Don, I could zip and email the drivers I use, but yeah it is version4,
>> and
>> on mine XP home and PRO systems, it works fine, maybe install it before
> you
>> do all the MS updates?  I havent tried to install the wheel, when XP is
>> already on SP2 version of XP, but I have done it both on home and pro
>> versions, I have the version 1 wheel & version 2 wheel (red grips)

>> Yes, mine gave same warning, I said install it anyway, AND  I let it
> install
>> the "profiles" from the cd, the profiles included one pretty basic GPL
> which
>> I have modified a bit and use for all games, as I hate forgetting to
> change
>> the profile when switching games I play...  (gpl, nascar, GTlegends
>> etc..)
>> but I am finding I rfactor is best to build your own in a way although I
>> havent run it for quite a while.  and that is done with the part of the
>> MS
>> sofware that apparently is dead to you at this time (you assign what
>> keystroke is "emulated" when you press which button).

>> Maybe, you might reinstall, MAKE SURE the wheel is unplugged until the
>> Sidewinder install wants it plugged in.  Or maybe your missing the
> VBruntime
>> libraries or something (which I had installed usually all the time
>> because
>> of an app I have, I cant think of what else is going wrong, maybe shutoff
>> the XP firewall until installed?

>> drop me an email stingre via yahoo.  (yeah I meant to spell it that way
> that
>> is correct).

>> Don Burnette enlightened us with:




>> >>> After getting NR 2003 up and running successfully, I installed the
>> >>> software for my MS Sidewinder FF usb wheel.

>> >>> I installed the software for the wheel from the cd that came with
>> >>> it. It is version 4, for the usb wheel. I believe this was the
>> >>> latest software produced for this wheel? I searched the MS website
>> >>> , and did not find any later drivers, realizing of course, support
>> >>> is really not offered by MS anymore for this wheel.

>> >>> The problem I am having, when I install on my XP Pro installation,
>> >>> I get a warning message that it may not function properly, as it
>> >>> recognizes my system as a windows NT/2000 installation.
>> >>> It works ok, with the exception, of the recorder portion of the
>> >>> software. If I try and launch the recorder, it closes with an
>> >>> error message , something about a dll file.

>> >>> Anyone know, of any later software that was offered for this wheel
>> >>> for Windows XP, that might still be available somewhere? Or a
>> >>> workaround for this issue?

>> >>> I also have the original red Momo I could install and use, assuming
>> >>> it would work ok in XP, however, for NR2003 I always preferred the
>> >>> MS wheel, mainly for the increased pedal throw over the Momo.

>> >>> Any help would be appreciated...

>> >>> Thanks,

>> >>> Don Burnette

>> >> XP has native support for the wheel. I have never installed any
>> >> drivers for it since ME. The only difference I have seen is that
>> >> there is not seperate brake and accellerator axis' anymore. I am
>> >> fairly sure it had that option before. Try unplugging the wheel,
>> >> uninstall the drivers and plug the wheel in and let it autodetect.
>> >> Make sure you have XPSP2 installed too. I have the MS FF USB and a
>> >> black Momo and actually prefer the Momo. I wish I could somehow use
>> >> the MS pedals as they are almost bulletproof where the Momo pedals
>> >> fail frequently. Ed

>> > Hmm, I could try that, however, I do have the option of setting
>> > separate brake and accelerator
>> > axis, which I prefer in NR 2003 , I would hate to lose that
>> > function...
>> > Don Burnette

Don Burnett

MS Sidewinder FF usb Wheel help

by Don Burnett » Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:57:06

Yeah, I don't think I would want to go through doing a clean install ,
install the SW software, and then get each individual update, test it, until
I found out what broke it.

I will just live with it for now, or switch to the Momo in hopes it will
work.
Thanks.

Don Burnette


> It's almost certainly an update.

> If you fresh install Windows then the SideWinder software, it will work.

> But somewhere along the way one of the Windows Updates mangles it.

> Considering there are some 150 different updates for XP for a fresh
install,
> I've never had the time (or inclination) to try and figure out which one
it
> was :)

> -Larry



> > Thanks Plowboy.

> > I installed with the same warning, and installed the profiles from the
cd
> > as
> > well. Interestingly, it never prompts me to " plug in" the Sidewinder,
and
> > I
> > remember thinking that was strange.

> > I have tried installing the software, both before, and after, originally
> > plugging in the Sidewinder, with the same results. Now, I have not tried
> > it
> > with disabling the XP firewall, I may give that a try when I get  back
in
> > town. I travel now most weeks, and have to rely on my weekends to do
this
> > stuff.

> > I have a hunch, as someone else mentioned along this thread, Larry I
> > think,
> > that somewhere along the way, an MS update to XP broke the recorder
> > function
> > of the Sidewinder software.

> > I may play around with it a little more when I return.

> > Thanks,

> > Don



> >> Don, I could zip and email the drivers I use, but yeah it is version4,
> >> and
> >> on mine XP home and PRO systems, it works fine, maybe install it before
> > you
> >> do all the MS updates?  I havent tried to install the wheel, when XP is
> >> already on SP2 version of XP, but I have done it both on home and pro
> >> versions, I have the version 1 wheel & version 2 wheel (red grips)

> >> Yes, mine gave same warning, I said install it anyway, AND  I let it
> > install
> >> the "profiles" from the cd, the profiles included one pretty basic GPL
> > which
> >> I have modified a bit and use for all games, as I hate forgetting to
> > change
> >> the profile when switching games I play...  (gpl, nascar, GTlegends
> >> etc..)
> >> but I am finding I rfactor is best to build your own in a way although
I
> >> havent run it for quite a while.  and that is done with the part of the
> >> MS
> >> sofware that apparently is dead to you at this time (you assign what
> >> keystroke is "emulated" when you press which button).

> >> Maybe, you might reinstall, MAKE SURE the wheel is unplugged until the
> >> Sidewinder install wants it plugged in.  Or maybe your missing the
> > VBruntime
> >> libraries or something (which I had installed usually all the time
> >> because
> >> of an app I have, I cant think of what else is going wrong, maybe
shutoff
> >> the XP firewall until installed?

> >> drop me an email stingre via yahoo.  (yeah I meant to spell it that way
> > that
> >> is correct).

> >> Don Burnette enlightened us with:




> >> >>> After getting NR 2003 up and running successfully, I installed the
> >> >>> software for my MS Sidewinder FF usb wheel.

> >> >>> I installed the software for the wheel from the cd that came with
> >> >>> it. It is version 4, for the usb wheel. I believe this was the
> >> >>> latest software produced for this wheel? I searched the MS website
> >> >>> , and did not find any later drivers, realizing of course, support
> >> >>> is really not offered by MS anymore for this wheel.

> >> >>> The problem I am having, when I install on my XP Pro installation,
> >> >>> I get a warning message that it may not function properly, as it
> >> >>> recognizes my system as a windows NT/2000 installation.
> >> >>> It works ok, with the exception, of the recorder portion of the
> >> >>> software. If I try and launch the recorder, it closes with an
> >> >>> error message , something about a dll file.

> >> >>> Anyone know, of any later software that was offered for this wheel
> >> >>> for Windows XP, that might still be available somewhere? Or a
> >> >>> workaround for this issue?

> >> >>> I also have the original red Momo I could install and use, assuming
> >> >>> it would work ok in XP, however, for NR2003 I always preferred the
> >> >>> MS wheel, mainly for the increased pedal throw over the Momo.

> >> >>> Any help would be appreciated...

> >> >>> Thanks,

> >> >>> Don Burnette

> >> >> XP has native support for the wheel. I have never installed any
> >> >> drivers for it since ME. The only difference I have seen is that
> >> >> there is not seperate brake and accellerator axis' anymore. I am
> >> >> fairly sure it had that option before. Try unplugging the wheel,
> >> >> uninstall the drivers and plug the wheel in and let it autodetect.
> >> >> Make sure you have XPSP2 installed too. I have the MS FF USB and a
> >> >> black Momo and actually prefer the Momo. I wish I could somehow use
> >> >> the MS pedals as they are almost bulletproof where the Momo pedals
> >> >> fail frequently. Ed

> >> > Hmm, I could try that, however, I do have the option of setting
> >> > separate brake and accelerator
> >> > axis, which I prefer in NR 2003 , I would hate to lose that
> >> > function...
> >> > Don Burnette

Gil

MS Sidewinder FF usb Wheel help

by Gil » Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:31:50

No, that wouldn't work like that. I have used my wheel for 2+ years on
my XP system, and have patched Windows whenever possible. No update
ever "broke" the installation.
Gary

MS Sidewinder FF usb Wheel help

by Gary » Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:04:29

Don -

List what you want the buttons to do, force settings, and seperate or
combined axis and for what game and i'll whip one up and send it to
you.

Gary


>Good info, unfortunately though, when I built this new machine and did a
>clean install of XP, I did not have my profiles backed up.

>Probably not that big a deal , for offline racing, I can probably do without
>the recorder.

>Don

Don Burnett

MS Sidewinder FF usb Wheel help

by Don Burnett » Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:17:13

Thanks Gary, I much appreciate the offer!

Let me give it a little thought, and I will get back to ya.

--
Don


> Don -

> List what you want the buttons to do, force settings, and seperate or
> combined axis and for what game and i'll whip one up and send it to
> you.

> Gary



>>Good info, unfortunately though, when I built this new machine and did a
>>clean install of XP, I did not have my profiles backed up.

>>Probably not that big a deal , for offline racing, I can probably do
>>without
>>the recorder.

>>Don


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