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RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

Larr

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Larr » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 02:40:56

Today's race was NOT typical.

-Larry


Larr

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Larr » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 02:42:05

Well, you got the first 10% of racing down pat :)

-Larry


John Simmon

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by John Simmon » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 05:36:07


says...

I wouldn't have, and the programming isn't screwed up.  If you watch
the replay, time and time again, people waited too long to slow for
turn entries.  Also, people didn't give enough room when racing side-
by-side, even though they know how online racing is.  The slightest
contact can send you into a circus tuble down the track.

It wasn't the track or the sim - it was people's driving that caused
all the cautions.

Larr

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Larr » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 06:03:40

You  completely missed my point about the programming, John.

That comment was strictly in relation to the NUMBER of yellow flag laps.
There was always one, sometimes two too many with no obvious reason for it.

I was not relating to anything else.

-Larry



> says...
> > This race was not typical Rascar.  A combination of rather bizarre
track,
> > not enough practice, to agressive driving in some cases, and Papy not
> > programming the Pace laps properly into the track all added up to a
> > miserable day for just about everyone.

> > I don't think any of us who wanted Yellows on had any idea the track
> > programming was so screwed up.  I know I, for one, would have forgone
> > Yellows in this case if I would have known it.

> I wouldn't have, and the programming isn't screwed up.  If you watch
> the replay, time and time again, people waited too long to slow for
> turn entries.  Also, people didn't give enough room when racing side-
> by-side, even though they know how online racing is.  The slightest
> contact can send you into a circus tuble down the track.

> It wasn't the track or the sim - it was people's driving that caused
> all the cautions.

David G Fishe

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by David G Fishe » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 06:15:43



> says...
> > This race was not typical Rascar.  A combination of rather bizarre
track,
> > not enough practice, to agressive driving in some cases, and Papy not
> > programming the Pace laps properly into the track all added up to a
> > miserable day for just about everyone.

> > I don't think any of us who wanted Yellows on had any idea the track
> > programming was so screwed up.  I know I, for one, would have forgone
> > Yellows in this case if I would have known it.

> I wouldn't have, and the programming isn't screwed up.  If you watch
> the replay, time and time again, people waited too long to slow for
> turn entries.  Also, people didn't give enough room when racing side-
> by-side, even though they know how online racing is.  The slightest
> contact can send you into a circus tuble down the track.

> It wasn't the track or the sim - it was people's driving that caused
> all the cautions.

I think Larry means that there were too many pace laps per yellow programmed
into the game, which is absolutely true.

David G Fisher

Kyle Robert

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Kyle Robert » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:03:42


I really like this track. Fun, wide, fast, and very forgiving to a point.
The green flag racing that we did manage was fun. I had some great racing
with John, David, Steve, 00(name?), and others.

Kyle

Larr

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Larr » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:17:52

Correct :)

Dave gets a Milk-Bone :)

-Larry






> > says...
> > > This race was not typical Rascar.  A combination of rather bizarre
> track,
> > > not enough practice, to agressive driving in some cases, and Papy not
> > > programming the Pace laps properly into the track all added up to a
> > > miserable day for just about everyone.

> > > I don't think any of us who wanted Yellows on had any idea the track
> > > programming was so screwed up.  I know I, for one, would have forgone
> > > Yellows in this case if I would have known it.

> > I wouldn't have, and the programming isn't screwed up.  If you watch
> > the replay, time and time again, people waited too long to slow for
> > turn entries.  Also, people didn't give enough room when racing side-
> > by-side, even though they know how online racing is.  The slightest
> > contact can send you into a circus tuble down the track.

> > It wasn't the track or the sim - it was people's driving that caused
> > all the cautions.

> I think Larry means that there were too many pace laps per yellow
programmed
> into the game, which is absolutely true.

> David G Fisher

Bruce Kennewel

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:02:56

00 = Mark Seery, Kyle.
(He's obviously got a 'double-oh' license to kill and works for Her
Majesty's government.)

"Seery, Mark Seery".
Nope.....just doesn't grab me. :)

Bruce.


Bruce Kennewel

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:06:46

That wasn't a "rant", if you don't mind, thank you very much!
It was a dissertation - a totally different thing. :)

Bruce.


Bruce Kennewel

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:08:40

"Saturday's race"??!

No WONDER I was in strife.........I was racing on SUNDAY!

Bruce.


Nick

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Nick » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:39:32


That's exactly the point. We are not racing in NASCAR. We are racing in a
computer simulation. The yellow flag rule in NASCAR is there because of
driver safety. If a driver parks it in the wall on a roundabout, it is a
potentially lethal situation for that driver, other drivers, and marshalls.
That's why they have full course cautions.

In sim racing, we don't have that problem. The worst possible outcome is
somebody gets miffed because they raced 95% of the way to the flag and then
wrecked. We also have the major problems of lag and warp, and the fact that
anybody can race, regardless of talent. Lag and warp cause most online
accidents, but are not a problem in NASCAR itself, as the only lag is in
human perception and reaction. If the very medium we use to race against
each other causes the most accidents in races, and each accident means 3 or
more laps of 'follow the leader' reduced pace, then we are just making the
experience worse for ourselves.

Don't get me wrong, the occasional yellow is a good thing - it's more
realistic to NASCAR, it allows drivers to reduce their concentration, take a
mini break from flat out racing, think about strategy a bit more clearly.
But when there was a maximum of 3 consecutive green flag laps and 33/43 laps
were under yellow, it's pushing it a bit too far, don't you think? BTW I
didn't race at Papy MP but those figures are what I have read on RAS.

Eldre

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Eldre » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:39:07

Friday night test race - Daytona, no yellows
8pm eastern, RASCAR2003 server

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Race15

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Race15 » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:54:00

Whats a "tuble"?   :))

Mike

Bruce Kennewel

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:01:59

True, but they (the cautions) DID give us the opportunity to relax, reduce
our high levels of concentration and to think about what strategy we would
use in the one-and-a-half green laps before the next yellow.

Bruce. (with tongue firmly lodged in cheek!)




>it's pushing it a bit too far, don't you think?

John Simmon

RASCAR: ***SERIOUSLY*** What have yellows ever added to a race??

by John Simmon » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:57:53


tumble - sorry :)

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