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I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

Eldre

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Eldre » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:46:00

I just can't seem to get anything at this track.  I'm trying to get ready for a
league race there, and I'm *way* off the pace.  I just ran 14 laps there, and
could only get as fast as 1:52.3
My times were pretty consistent, so I figure I'm just doing the same thing(s)
wrong almost every time.  I'd be happy if I could run consistent 1:49's.
That's still off the pace, but I've never even broken 1:50 before.  If anyone
could check out my laps and give suggestions, it would be much appreciated.  I
also included the setup that I used.
ftp://141.211.234.112/mexprac10_12_03.zip (2mb)
Thanks.

Eldred
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Steve Smit

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Steve Smit » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:20:36

Try it in N2003.  Not nearly as frustrating (no more concrete-filled
tires!).  Easier to drive.  Less filling.  Tastes great, too!


Haqsa

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Haqsa » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:50:53

I'm not any faster so I can't give driving tips, but what I would suggest is
download a hotlap for the track and compare it to yours in GPLRA.  This
always seems to help me.  Use the telemetry view to figure out where you are
slower, then look at the race line view to see if your line is wrong, and
finally go watch the replay in that area to see what he is doing different.
Also merging your replay with the hotlap is a very useful way to see what is
going on.  You can use the time offset feature to try and get your lap to
match up with the hotlap at the position at which you are interested.  Very
useful.


Race15

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Race15 » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:14:40

I also "hate" Mexico.  I don't know what it is about this track, but I just
can't find any kind of rythm, no matter how many laps I grind out.  I always
feel like I'm thinking about the next corner instead of just driving....

Oh well...

Mike

Eldre

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Eldre » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:23:48



>Try it in N2003.  Not nearly as frustrating (no more concrete-filled
>tires!).  Easier to drive.  Less filling.  Tastes great, too!

I never bought Noonan's converter...  I'm a worse driver in NASCAR, remember?

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:23:48


writes:

You know, I've tried that in the past, and haven't been able to learn anything
from it.  All I see is that I'm slower EVERYWHERE.  Part of the problem is not
being able to hold the same line as others.  Even in turns where I *am* on the
same line, the other car brakes later, goes in faster, gets back in the gas
faster, and is gone by the end of the next straight.  So in the rare cases that
I can see why the other car is faster, I still can't do it.
Sigh...I guess I'll try again...(definition of insanity)

Eldred - gotta search for all the hotlap sites again... :-(
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jason moy

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by jason moy » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:40:18


I'm not much better, running high 49's, but the places I seem to lose
the most time are any left/right combo (such as the esses).  There are
a bunch of places where you need to compromise the entrance in order
to carry enough speed through the next corner and onto the next
straight

Jason

Haqsa

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Haqsa » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:06:25

One thing that might help is to look at the benchmark instead of a lap that
is 6 seconds faster.  I did a quick comparison between the benchmark and
your fastest lap and it appears like you could improve your time by working
on the entrance to the first part of the esses (look at the line, Arnao
practically straightlines it), and by powering out onto the back straight
better, which again is largely line.  Not that I can do any better, this is
just what I could see from GPLRA.  Just isolate those two things and work on
them and forget about the rest, see if it helps.


Malc

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Malc » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:21:03


Concentrate on your corner exit speed.  There are several places, most
notably your line through the tight right-hander before the hairpin, where
your entry line severely compromises your exit speed.

At Mexico there are several 'combination' corners. You need to treat the
pair (or sequence) of corners as one unit, and be prepared to compromise
your line through the first corner to give you a better exit from the last,
and therefore maintain a higher average speed down the following straight.
In the case of the S just before the hairpin, hug the left side as you exit
the first, sweeping left-hander, and turn in to a late apex for the tight
right-hander. You should be able to accelerate through the second corner and
carry more speed up the straight to the hairpin.

This also applies to the long series of esses, and you may find it helpful
to study an 'alien' lap to see the line they take. You may not be able to
match their speed, but you can use their line to good effect.

Remember the most important corners are the ones leading onto a straight.

As far as your setup is concerned it's definitely an alien setup ;-)

Change the diff from 60/45/3 (way too stiff imo) to 60/45/1 (reduce the
clutches) and give it another go. You should find that you can plant the gas
a little more easily out of the corners. If you find that the back end now
wants to step out too much when you lift off the gas, try 60/30/1. If it
doesn't step out enough, try 60/60/1 or even 60/85/1 (I use this).

Finally, disable the low-speed steering help and try to get used to a
quicker steering ratio. Yours is currently set to 14:1. You need at least
12:1 to make it round the hairpin without the steering aid. I use 10:1. With
the looser diff this should be easier to control, so get the diff right
first.

Malc.

Dan_Leac

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Dan_Leac » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:31:53

First corner and last corner are very important, concentrate on them for a
bit...brake late and try to take the speed with you into the turn.
And dont go to fast throught the twistys, its easy to lose speed by goping
faster than you should.

Bruce Kennewel

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:30:26

Hooray....another "Mexico City" hater! :)

Since the day I first tried this circuit (when was that....1998?) I have
steered clear of it.
Even when running a season championship against the AI, I have usually
crashed within the first quarter of the race....and always into a ***y
concrete tyre!

Bruce.


Steve Smit

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Steve Smit » Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:37:09

You CAN'T be a worse driver in N2003!  Not on the road circuits, anyway.
The Cup cars, at least, are far more forgiving - you can get as out of shape
as a Dali watch and still save it.  GPL requires far greater car control,
concentration, and dedication.  IMO.




> >Try it in N2003.  Not nearly as frustrating (no more concrete-filled
> >tires!).  Easier to drive.  Less filling.  Tastes great, too!

> I never bought Noonan's converter...  I'm a worse driver in NASCAR,
remember?

> Eldred
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John DiFoo

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by John DiFoo » Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:23:55

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:31:53 +0100, "Dan_Leach"


>First corner and last corner are very important, concentrate on them for a
>bit...brake late and try to take the speed with you into the turn.
>And dont go to fast throught the twistys, its easy to lose speed by goping
>faster than you should.

Even the CART guys yesterday took it easy through there (one of
the few parts of the track which remain nearly identical to the
60's config.).

       John DiFool

Eldre

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Eldre » Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:01:19

Then I'd have to go a lot slower in the lefthander...

Really?  I've driven Ehnstrom's setups before.  I used his Watkins setup for
second place finishes on two consecutive nights.  I guess it's just specific
tracks with a specific driving style.

Yuck, setup changes?  I think I've built a mental block against mucking with
the setups, because I've never been able to improve anything.

I forgot all about the steering hack.  I believe I'd disabled that before my
drive crashed.  I'll have to remember to check that when I get home...
Thanks.  I'll see what I can do.

Eldred

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Eldre

I *hate* Mexico(GPL)

by Eldre » Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:02:53

I'm already braking as late as I can without crashing...

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