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Uwe Schuerka

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by Uwe Schuerka » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:51:28


>I'd love a great game but everyone as too high hopes for this.

Three things keep me on the edge of my seat about WSC:

- Physics
- Open, pluggable physics model
- West Bros. are interested in doing a Linux *client*

Cheers,

Uwe

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Gerry Aitke

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by Gerry Aitke » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 05:17:18





> >> Um, not sure where you're going with that. Game Developers are there to make
> >> money, either for luxury yachts to to scrape a day old loaf of bread.. they
> >> do it for the money... an "open" game is a dream.

> >Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000! No dream, as open as you can get...and
> >made by M$ :).

> Or take a look at flightgear.org. People creating a
> commercial-quality flight sim for the love of flying planes.
> Great. FS2K might be open, but it's a very bad fps-wise, no
> matter what kind of hardware you throw at it. Also, its
> (obviously) limited to the Windows platform. Oh, you say no
> source code available? Not exactly "open" by any stretch of the
> imagination.

So apart from 3rd party aircraft, instruments, scenery, flight models,
adventures and ATC, it's not open :). How much more open does it need to
be?

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Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:39:03



> > Or take a look at flightgear.org. People creating a
> > commercial-quality flight sim for the love of flying planes.
> > Great. FS2K might be open, but it's a very bad fps-wise, no
> > matter what kind of hardware you throw at it. Also, its
> > (obviously) limited to the Windows platform. Oh, you say no
> > source code available? Not exactly "open" by any stretch of the
> > imagination.

> So apart from 3rd party aircraft, instruments, scenery, flight models,
> adventures and ATC, it's not open :). How much more open does it need to
> be?

You're talking open ARCHITECTURE, while Uwe is talking open SOURCE.
Open architecture is good, but open source would be much better.

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Tom Pabs

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by Tom Pabs » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:46:33

Eldred....

Sim racing is not a "game" to me.....its my hobby.  Its no more a "game" to
me than golf could be called a "game" to a golfer.  I also know many
golfer's who've spent twice that much money on their golf clubs, shoes,
clothing.....lessons, golf balls....then they spend $100 every weekend to go
play!  I have nearly $10K invested in computers, sound system, race seat
(with vibration "actuators"....alone these cost more than many people's
computer cost).....$500 dollars for a good racing sim would be "par" for the
course.....and money well spent in my opinion.  $40 dollars spent on some
"arcade game masquerading as a racing simulation".....was too much to
pay....we've all done it and been pissed about it later.  I guarantee you
that if someone had the balls to charge $500 for a racing simulation....it
would be an awesome racing simulation....I wouldn't bat an eye to buy WSC if
that's what it ended up costing.  It won't....but just making a point with
you.

You should know that there's lots of wealthy people....who love racing as
much as we do.  They are just now finding out about this "secret" we've been
keeping from them.....and they don't hesitate to spend money on something
they like to do.  I know two guys....both are having full-size Winston Cup
style***pits made for them....for their dens.  And they are putting in
"plasma screens".....where the windshields should go....at $40K each!

Tom

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:50:47


  Wasn't there a civilian flight sim that cost hundreds of dollars?   I've
been out
of the FS loop for a while so pardon me if I'm off base...I seem to remember
reading
about some hugely expensive title that had finally undergone a large price
reduction.
I AM 100% sure there are some folks who would pay $500 for a top notch sim.
But
that # is only a tiny fraction of the even the gpl crowd.
dave henrie

Eldre

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by Eldre » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:55:37



>Eldred....

>Sim racing is not a "game" to me.....its my hobby.  Its no more a "game" to
>me than golf could be called a "game" to a golfer.  I also know many
>golfer's who've spent twice that much money on their golf clubs, shoes,
>clothing.....lessons, golf balls....then they spend $100 every weekend to go
>play!  I have nearly $10K invested in computers, sound system, race seat
>(with vibration "actuators"....alone these cost more than many people's
>computer cost).....$500 dollars for a good racing sim would be "par" for the
>course.....and money well spent in my opinion.  $40 dollars spent on some
>"arcade game masquerading as a racing simulation".....was too much to
>pay....we've all done it and been pissed about it later.  I guarantee you
>that if someone had the balls to charge $500 for a racing simulation....it
>would be an awesome racing simulation....I wouldn't bat an eye to buy WSC if
>that's what it ended up costing.  It won't....but just making a point with
>you.

>You should know that there's lots of wealthy people....who love racing as
>much as we do.  They are just now finding out about this "secret" we've been
>keeping from them.....and they don't hesitate to spend money on something
>they like to do.  I know two guys....both are having full-size Winston Cup
>style***pits made for them....for their dens.  And they are putting in
>"plasma screens".....where the windshields should go....at $40K each!

>Tom

Dude, if I had THAT kind of money, I sure wouldn't be spending it on sims.  I'd
be doing it for REAL...<G>  I can't imagine spending more for the plasma screen
than my parents paid for their HOUSE...<shrug>
Like I said - must be nice to have that kind of money.  I wouldn't know - I'll
never have it...

Eldred
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Zonk

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by Zonk » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:16:13



Plasma screens?

considering they only go for about 8k for the 50" widescreen, the largest  
avalible.....

Or they could spend 5-6 on a great data projector and screen.....

They're either idiots, or you're lying.

Z.

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Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:24:20


>   Wasn't there a civilian flight sim that cost hundreds of dollars?   I've
> been out
> of the FS loop for a while so pardon me if I'm off base...I seem to remember
> reading
> about some hugely expensive title that had finally undergone a large price
> reduction.

That would be X-Plane.  Now $39.95 and worth every penny.  :-)

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:05:53


>Waiting to release on both platforms at once?  That's stupid...  The
>revenue's from one would help pay for the other, and generate a desire for
>the product on the other platform.

But then, you'd have to listen to the PS/2 owners ***ing because it takes so
long to port it over...<g>

Eldred
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:05:52


(Zonky) writes:


>>Dude, if I had THAT kind of money, I sure wouldn't be spending it on
>>sims.  I'd be doing it for REAL...<G>  I can't imagine spending more for
>>the plasma screen than my parents paid for their HOUSE...<shrug>
>>Like I said - must be nice to have that kind of money.  I wouldn't know
>>- I'll never have it...

>>Eldred

>Plasma screens?

>considering they only go for about 8k for the 50" widescreen, the largest  
>avalible.....

>Or they could spend 5-6 on a great data projector and screen.....

>They're either idiots, or you're lying.

What?  What am I lying about?  You obviously didn't read Tom's response.  He
mentioned that he knew people who spent $40K for a plasma screen as the
windshield in their Winston Cup simulators.  My parents paid $32K for their
house.  So, my statement still stands.  

Eldred
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:05:53



>  How much did that K6 cost you when you upgraded for GPL?  :)
>If we added up what we've spent to play GAMES, we could probaly buy a
>3rd world country or two....
>dave henrie

About $140.  I have to build my equipment one piece at a time - I can't afford
to do it all at once... :(

Eldred
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Andre Warrin

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by Andre Warrin » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:21:46

I don't believe he was referring to you, but to Tom..

Andre


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