rec.autos.simulators

by **Dog-Le** » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 04:01:00

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Waiting to release on both platforms at once? That's stupid... The
revenue's from one would help pay for the other, and generate a desire for
the product on the other platform.

But, then again, George Lucas is making us wait for 5 years or more to get
the first 3 Star Wars movies on DVD because he wants to deliver all 7 (or
whatever) movies at the same time. Almost half haven't even been filmed
yet.

Kiss my ass George.

-Larry

> >wonderful things about sparkplugs:

> >>It's just a wish but if it ever appears on shelves (which I doubt it
will),
> >>it will disappoint some.

> >>I'm hope so much that I'm proved wrong but so much is claimed for this
game
> >>but nothing's proven after almost a year.

> >Thanks. I actually did know wbout this... I remember the screenshots.
> >I am afraid you might be right, this looks a lot like vaporware

> They're driving their own sim, a PS2 conversion is being made, new
> tracks are being made, so why shouldn't this ever be released in any
> form?

> Although the PS2 team is having a tough time ofcourse, this game will
> see the public light, no doubt. The problem is they want to release
> both platform versions, and I think that will be the main reason for
> any delays. IIRC, a demo is planned for september.

> Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25
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> Car simulation: http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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by **Dog-Le** » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 04:02:03

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Yeah, like Blizzards in ***ia.

If you live here, you know what I'm talking about...

-Larry

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by **Simon Brow** » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 04:06:52

Aha, I see :)

by **Gerry Aitke** » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 04:43:33

> Um, not sure where you're going with that. Game Developers are there to make
> money, either for luxury yachts to to scrape a day old loaf of bread.. they
> do it for the money... an "open" game is a dream.

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000! No dream, as open as you can get...and
made by M$ :).

Cheers

Gerry

by **Jason** » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:10:59

400,000 is generally referenced as a "well selling game". It differs from
publisher to publisher, and it also depends on how much they spent promoting
it.

Cheers,

Schumi

> On the same subject, does anyone know what can be considered good sales
for
> a racing sim? We've all read that GPL sold 40,000 copies, but then I read
> that GP3, which is considered a commercial success has sold 70,000 copies
> which doesn't seem a lot more to me.

> Then I read somwhere else how POD had sold over 1 million copies. I know
> that some publishers are prone to vast exaggeration with sales figures,
and
> maybe Ubisoft did this with POD. Obviously arcade racers are more popular
> than sims, but GP3 is one of those titles that i'd expect to appeals to
both
> player types.

> Then to confuse things even more, I read on www.avault.com that less than
1%
> of PC titles sell over 50,000 copies.

> > GPL came out a few months before Speedvision, here in the States,
found
> > sucess by
> > running a restored version of Grand Prix with James Garner.
IF....Sierra
> > had merely
> > taken the GPL intro video and made a short TV comercial with it....Sales
> > would
> > have been much higher. (although returns probably would have too.) A
> > missed
> > opportunity.
> > dave henrie

by **Shane Lowr** » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 06:13:58

the only hype has been in this news group GraDee. The game has been in
development for 4 years and the only hold up at the moment is empires desire
to release ps2 and pc versions at the same time. AFAIK the game is almost
done, code wise. Still some art to be finished.

shane

> > > It's just a wish but if it ever appears on shelves (which I doubt it
> will),
> > > it will disappoint some.

> > When you say "which I doubt it will" is that just purely based on there
> > being no demo yet? Because the video looked real enough to me.

> > Plus everything I've read leads me to believe WSC is a serious
> > commercial venture. The West brothers seem like genuine sim fans who
> > really care about what they're producing.

> > So why so negative?

> Oh, I'm sure it's very true! I also think the West brothers have a lot of
> talent and genuinely want to make the best sim out there but lets be
honest,
> in 12 months we've seen little to nothing new. And as far as a 2001
release
> goes? Well, I doubt it.
> How long can they spend making this before they give up?

> I'd love a great game but everyone as too high hopes for this.
> Every game promises great things but usually compromises in the end.
> From a game with such slow development and nothing but promises so far I
> don't see what all the hype is about (yet).
> That's all.

by **Eldre** » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 06:48:27

>PS: I drove WSC at E3 last year........it wasn't a "fake" movie. And....it
>was mind-numbingly awesome! If the price tag where $500 big ones for the
>retail "box"......I'd still wait in line all day to buy it....probably still
>buy 4 or 5 of them too.

You've GOT to be kidding... You'd buy 4 or 5 copies at $500 each? Must be
nice to have that kind of disposable income to spend on a GAME...

Eldred
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by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:27:47

Almost half haven't even been filmed yet.
Principle photography on Episode II is either done or close to it.
dave henrie
ps...there are plenty of Star Wars DVD's...in Warezville.

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:30:44

> >PS: I drove WSC at E3 last year........it wasn't a "fake" movie.
And....it
> >was mind-numbingly awesome! If the price tag where $500 big ones for the
> >retail "box"......I'd still wait in line all day to buy it....probably
still
> >buy 4 or 5 of them too.

> You've GOT to be kidding... You'd buy 4 or 5 copies at $500 each? Must
be
> nice to have that kind of disposable income to spend on a GAME...

> Eldred

How much did that K6 cost you when you upgraded for GPL? :)
If we added up what we've spent to play GAMES, we could probaly buy a
3rd world country or two....
dave henrie

by **Joe Marque** » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:01:14

I own a third-world country. It's not the purchase price that gets you it's
those damn annual maintenance fees ;).

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Joe Marques

by **Thom j** » Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:28:08

Tom, I have a great bridge forsale & if you do not like bridges I have
some fantastic land to sell you in Florida.. What'chya Think?? <G>
A Smilling Thom_j.

|
| >PS: I drove WSC at E3 last year........it wasn't a "fake" movie.
And....it
| >was mind-numbingly awesome! If the price tag where $500 big ones for the
| >retail "box"......I'd still wait in line all day to buy it....probably
still
| >buy 4 or 5 of them too.

by **Wolfgang Preis** » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:34:20

>On the same subject, does anyone know what can be considered good sales for
>a racing sim? We've all read that GPL sold 40,000 copies, but then I read
>that GP3, which is considered a commercial success has sold 70,000 copies
>which doesn't seem a lot more to me.

If you start making money with the 40,001 copy sold, it makes a huge
difference. :) But with all the talk about GPL being a commerical
disaster, I would have expected the difference in sales to be much
greater.

Wasn't POD bundled with 3D cards? I wonder if this kind of sales is
counted in those statistics. As you know, GPL just appeared on the
cover-CD of a games mag. Does this count as, say, 20,000 more copies
sold?

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by **GraDe** » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:43:34

> > Um, not sure where you're going with that. Game Developers are there to
make
> > money, either for luxury yachts to to scrape a day old loaf of bread..
they
> > do it for the money... an "open" game is a dream.

> Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000! No dream, as open as you can get...and
> made by M$ :).

I suppose it won't work to say Microsoft have enough money and can afford to
do it? :-)

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:59:07

> > > Um, not sure where you're going with that. Game Developers are there to
> make
> > > money, either for luxury yachts to to scrape a day old loaf of bread..
> they
> > > do it for the money... an "open" game is a dream.

> > Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000! No dream, as open as you can get...and
> > made by M$ :).

> I suppose it won't work to say Microsoft have enough money and can afford to
> do it? :-)

So you think M$ are loosing money on FS2K then?

by **Uwe Schuerka** » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:57:05

>> Um, not sure where you're going with that. Game Developers are there to make
>> money, either for luxury yachts to to scrape a day old loaf of bread.. they
>> do it for the money... an "open" game is a dream.

>Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000! No dream, as open as you can get...and
>made by M$ :).

Or take a look at flightgear.org. People creating a
commercial-quality flight sim for the love of flying planes.
Great. FS2K might be open, but it's a very bad fps-wise, no
matter what kind of hardware you throw at it. Also, its
(obviously) limited to the Windows platform. Oh, you say no
source code available? Not exactly "open" by any stretch of the
imagination.

Cheers,

uwe

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