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> > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear
him
> > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park and
> > Little E.

> > In fact he said he "thought he was clear....and wasn't.  It was one of
> those
> > racing accidents that happen because we can't see down to the detail of
> > inches....and I was short of clearing by inches.  Pocono....is not a
place
> > where your spotter helps you much....they are too far away from the cars
> to
> > do that."  [paraphrased]

> > From what I saw in video replays......his description is accurate.
That's
> > not a "fault" incident...just a racing judgment incident...and that can
> > happen to any driver at any time....IMHO.

> > In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having
"caused"
> > that accident....

> > Tom

> > > Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if unsure.
If
> > > anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well.

> > > > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps
> > instead
> > > of
> > > > grass between the track and the fences ?

> > > > --
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> > > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about?
i
> > > dont
> > > > > have nbc :-\

> > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear
> him
> > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park
and
> > > Little E.

> > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to
blame
> > Park for the accident.  Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,
> the
> > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him.  I was
annoyed
> > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the
> blame.

> > -Tim

>  That deal can't be laid onto Rusty. The mirrors in NR2002 are far better
> than what those guys get. With the extended head rests, and HANS limiting
> head movement, do you really think you could sit in the floor pan of a Cup
> car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guy with good
> eyesight and bet I could not.

> On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the momentum
> and outside position.

> Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front
> stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement:
OOTRD
> (one of them racin deals)

> > On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the
momentum
> > and outside position.

> > Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front
> > stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement:
> OOTRD
> > (one of them racin deals)

> If was one of them racin deals but it definately was caused by the 2 car.
> There is no question that all of those conditions helped to cause the
> accident but even Rusty said in his post-crash interview that he is
> responsible for where his car is and know where the other cars around him
> are, not the spotter.  Being the fact that it's Rusty's fault doesn't mean
> he is a bad driver or even that it could have been avoided.  The bottom
line
> is that the 1 car had position and the 2 car impeded on that position.
Even
> though the events may have been out of Rusty's control, (turbulence,
> drifting, lack of vision, lack of spotter vision, etc) it is still his car
> that caused the accident.

> The original point was Rusty's attitude in his post-race interview that
> another car caused the accident and that there was no concession of any
> fault on his behalf.

> -Tim

> --
> Joe Marques

> > Actually Joe......this is a technique used in writing movie scripts.  It
> is
> > used on the line copies used to give to the actors to learn their lines.
> I
> > did a lot of acting when I was younger, guess I picked it up there and
its
> > become a bad habit.  Sorry.

> > TP

> > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear
> him
> > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park
and
> > > Little E.

> > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to
blame
> > Park for the accident.  Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,
> the
> > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him.  I was
annoyed
> > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the
> blame.

> > -Tim

>  That deal can't be laid onto Rusty. The mirrors in NR2002 are far better
> than what those guys get. With the extended head rests, and HANS limiting
> head movement, do you really think you could sit in the floor pan of a Cup
> car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guy with good
> eyesight and bet I could not.

> On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the momentum
> and outside position.

> Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front
> stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement:
OOTRD
> (one of them racin deals)

> > On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the
momentum
> > and outside position.

> > Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front
> > stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement:
> OOTRD
> > (one of them racin deals)

> If was one of them racin deals but it definately was caused by the 2 car.
> There is no question that all of those conditions helped to cause the
> accident but even Rusty said in his post-crash interview that he is
> responsible for where his car is and know where the other cars around him
> are, not the spotter.  Being the fact that it's Rusty's fault doesn't mean
> he is a bad driver or even that it could have been avoided.  The bottom
line
> is that the 1 car had position and the 2 car impeded on that position.
Even
> though the events may have been out of Rusty's control, (turbulence,
> drifting, lack of vision, lack of spotter vision, etc) it is still his car
> that caused the accident.

> The original point was Rusty's attitude in his post-race interview that
> another car caused the accident and that there was no concession of any
> fault on his behalf.

> -Tim

> > Yeah...that's what he said because that's what he knew....at the time of
> the
> > interview.  If you look at the replay, his car doesn't move more than a
> few
> > inches - to the right - before he strikes Park's car - just barely.
> Perhaps
> > Rusty didn't notice his few inches of lane change, and it was his
> perception
> > (at the time of the interview) that he had not moved.  Reality is:  He
> > shouldn't have been in jeopardy with a "drift" of that small of
magnitude.
> > But, at the starts, with the field packed up, it happens!

> > TP

> > PS:  ***you guys, stop making me defend this jerk! .....lol.....

> > > He also said, I was running my line then bam, somebody took out my
right
> > > rear. Someone took me out.
> > > He was trying to say, it wasn't anything I did.

> > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't
hear
> > him
> > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park
> and
> > > > Little E.

> > > > In fact he said he "thought he was clear....and wasn't.  It was one
of
> > > those
> > > > racing accidents that happen because we can't see down to the detail
> of
> > > > inches....and I was short of clearing by inches.  Pocono....is not a
> > place
> > > > where your spotter helps you much....they are too far away from the
> cars
> > > to
> > > > do that."  [paraphrased]

> > > > From what I saw in video replays......his description is accurate.
> > That's
> > > > not a "fault" incident...just a racing judgment incident...and that
> can
> > > > happen to any driver at any time....IMHO.

> > > > In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having
> > "caused"
> > > > that accident....

> > > > Tom

> > > > > Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if
> unsure.
> > If
> > > > > anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well.

> > > > > > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel
traps
> > > > instead
> > > > > of
> > > > > > grass between the track and the fences ?

> > > > > > --
> > > > > > The first ever pinball ezboard !!
> > > > > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > > > > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking
> about?
> > i
> > > > > dont
> > > > > > > have nbc :-\

> I also heard Rusty specifically say, "I thought it was clear....and it
> wasn't!"  That's about as close as you are going to get Rusty Wallace to
> admitting to having started the incident.  I'm sure he is sorry that it
> happened, he just doesn't say it.

> Here's the kind of guy Rusty Wallace is (and this is only a small part of
my
> personal, one-to-one experience with him):  The year we were in the NASCAR
> Garage paddock area with our simulators for four days......letting the Cup
> drivers test the three configs of the Chute we'd come up with - Rusty
> refused to drive in the sim.  He said it was stupid - very loudly!  He
also
> laughed at me directly in my face....about my idea of paving the gravel
> traps (see the string above about that whole topic).  This is while he,
Ward
> Burton and myself were casually talking with one of the NASCAR officials,
in
> the sim tent.  He looked at me with that "incredulous Rusty Wallace face"
> that he does so well, and said, "Man, are you crazy or what?"  The next
> year, Rusty shows up at Sears....and all the drivers are praising the new
> chute design and especially....THE PAVED GRAVEL TRAPS....(..lol...), and
> Rusty acts at a press conference as if it was his friggin' idea the year
> before, that we paved the gravel traps because it was his suggestion to do
> it.  That really T'd me off....big time!  I have many more "Rusty Wallace"
> stories.....but I will keep them to myself.  They all get worse than this
> one!

> TP

> > >  That deal can't be laid onto Rusty. The mirrors in NR2002 are far
> better
> > > than what those guys get. With the extended head rests, and HANS
> limiting
> > > head movement, do you really think you could sit in the floor pan of a
> Cup
> > > car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guy with
> good
> > > eyesight and bet I could not.

> > > On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the
> momentum
> > > and outside position.

> > > Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front
> > > stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement:
> > OOTRD
> > > (one of them racin deals)

> > If was one of them racin deals but it definately was caused by the 2
car.
> > There is no question that all of those conditions helped to cause the
> > accident but even Rusty said in his post-crash interview that he is
> > responsible for where his car is and know where the other cars around
him
> > are, not the spotter.  Being the fact that it's Rusty's fault doesn't
mean
> > he is a bad driver or even that it could have been avoided.  The bottom
> line
> > is that the 1 car had position and the 2 car impeded on that position.
> Even
> > though the events may have been out of Rusty's control, (turbulence,
> > drifting, lack of vision, lack of spotter vision, etc) it is still his
car
> > that caused the accident.

> > The original point was Rusty's attitude in his post-race interview that
> > another car caused the accident and that there was no concession of any
> > fault on his behalf.

> > -Tim

> --
> The first ever pinball ezboard !!
> http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball

> > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? i
dont
> > have nbc :-\

> > I agree with you, Tim.  Good way of putting it.  My only reason for
> > defending Rusty was not that his car didn't start the accident....of
> course
> > it did.  It was that he didn't do anything reasonably avoidable, to
start
> > the accident.  Words like "blame" and "fault" usually mean that somebody
> > made an avoidable mistake, or a bad misjudgment.

> > I also heard Rusty specifically say, "I thought it was clear....and it
> > wasn't!"  That's about as close as you are going to get Rusty Wallace to
> > admitting to having started the incident.  I'm sure he is sorry that it
> > happened, he just doesn't say it.

> > Here's the kind of guy Rusty Wallace is (and this is only a small part
of
> my
> > personal, one-to-one experience with him):  The year we were in the
NASCAR
> > Garage paddock area with our simulators for four days......letting the
Cup
> > drivers test the three configs of the Chute we'd come up with - Rusty
> > refused to drive in the sim.  He said it was stupid - very loudly!  He
> also
> > laughed at me directly in my face....about my idea of paving the gravel
> > traps (see the string above about that whole topic).  This is while he,
> Ward
> > Burton and myself were casually talking with one of the NASCAR
officials,
> in
> > the sim tent.  He looked at me with that "incredulous Rusty Wallace
face"
> > that he does so well, and said, "Man, are you crazy or what?"  The next
> > year, Rusty shows up at Sears....and all the drivers are praising the
new
> > chute design and especially....THE PAVED GRAVEL TRAPS....(..lol...), and
> > Rusty acts at a press conference as if it was his friggin' idea the year
> > before, that we paved the gravel traps because it was his suggestion to
do
> > it.  That really T'd me off....big time!  I have many more "Rusty
Wallace"
> > stories.....but I will keep them to myself.  They all get worse than
this
> > one!

> > TP

> > > >  That deal can't be laid onto Rusty. The mirrors in NR2002 are far
> > better
> > > > than what those guys get. With the extended head rests, and HANS
> > limiting
> > > > head movement, do you really think you could sit in the floor pan of
a
> > Cup
> > > > car and see someone at your right quarter panel? I am a tall guy
with
> > good
> > > > eyesight and bet I could not.

> > > > On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the
> > momentum
> > > > and outside position.

> > > > Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front
> > > > stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final
judgement:
> > > OOTRD
> > > > (one of them racin deals)

> > > If was one of them racin deals but it definately was caused by the 2
> car.
> > > There is no question that all of those conditions helped to cause the
> > > accident but even Rusty said in his post-crash interview that he is
> > > responsible for where his car is and know where the other cars around
> him
> > > are, not the spotter.  Being the fact that it's Rusty's fault doesn't
> mean
> > > he is a bad driver or even that it could have been avoided.  The
bottom
> > line
> > > is that the 1 car had position and the 2 car impeded on that position.
> > Even
> > > though the events may have been out of Rusty's control, (turbulence,
> > > drifting, lack of vision, lack of spotter vision, etc) it is still his
> car
> > > that caused the accident.

> > > The original point was Rusty's attitude in his post-race interview
that
> > > another car caused the accident and that there was no concession of
any
> > > fault on his behalf.

> > > -Tim