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FWIW, I concur. Though I'm not a big Rusty fan either, sounded to me
like during his inteview (even before he was able to view any replay
tapes) that he was open to the possibility of having not cleared the
One car.
It's just one of the hazards of the trade.
Andre Ming
At the start of a WC race......running in the pack and all the distraction
of the field being bunched up......its like racing on the inside of a
washing machine....and the friggin' spin cycle comes on! There's no time to
look at a side mirror.....or the tach....or the overhead five-way mirror.
You don't take your eyes off the friggin' track and car(s) in front of
you...period! You also shouldn't change your lane......unless you are damn
sure you are clear. That was Rusty's fault....but hey, the cars drift and
not always is the driver in total control of what lane he is in....or stays
in....especially at the start with cold tires....and a cold driver.....and
the massive air turbulence of running two/three wide in a pack at a 150 mph!
I'd love to blame Rusty for that accident, because I flat don't like the guy
(I have my own personal reasons)......but I can't. I've looked at the
replay a hundred times....and in my own mind....it was a "racing
accident"....unfortunate.....but that's what it looks like to me. This is
my opinion, of course....but I'm only out to satisfy me.....not others.
Tom
> > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to
blame
> > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,
> the
> > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was
annoyed
> > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the
> blame.
> > -Tim
"He's not good at admitting fault." Yep...you are right about that. But
he's not a total idiot, either. And, I don't think at the time of the TV
interview that he really knew "why" he was hit in the rear....just that he
was.
Damn....I hate defending this guy.......but I can't find him "guilty" of
shifting blame....not this time, at least.
TP
> He's not good at admitting fault.
> -Larry
> > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear
> him
> > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park
and
> > > Little E.
> > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to
blame
> > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,
> the
> > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was
annoyed
> > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the
> blame.
> > -Tim
> In fact he said he "thought he was clear....and wasn't. It was one of
those
> racing accidents that happen because we can't see down to the detail of
> inches....and I was short of clearing by inches. Pocono....is not a place
> where your spotter helps you much....they are too far away from the cars
to
> do that." [paraphrased]
> From what I saw in video replays......his description is accurate. That's
> not a "fault" incident...just a racing judgment incident...and that can
> happen to any driver at any time....IMHO.
> In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having "caused"
> that accident....
> Tom
> > Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if unsure. If
> > anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well.
> > > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps
> instead
> > of
> > > grass between the track and the fences ?
> > > --
> > > The first ever pinball ezboard !!
> > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball
> > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about? i
> > dont
> > > > have nbc :-\
Lannie :)
> At the start of a WC race......running in the pack and all the distraction
> of the field being bunched up......its like racing on the inside of a
> washing machine....and the friggin' spin cycle comes on! There's no time
to
> look at a side mirror.....or the tach....or the overhead five-way mirror.
> You don't take your eyes off the friggin' track and car(s) in front of
> you...period! You also shouldn't change your lane......unless you are
damn
> sure you are clear. That was Rusty's fault....but hey, the cars drift and
> not always is the driver in total control of what lane he is in....or
stays
> in....especially at the start with cold tires....and a cold driver.....and
> the massive air turbulence of running two/three wide in a pack at a 150
mph!
> I'd love to blame Rusty for that accident, because I flat don't like the
guy
> (I have my own personal reasons)......but I can't. I've looked at the
> replay a hundred times....and in my own mind....it was a "racing
> accident"....unfortunate.....but that's what it looks like to me. This is
> my opinion, of course....but I'm only out to satisfy me.....not others.
> Tom
> > Simple fix, put regular side view mirrors on the cars, then they have no
> > spotter to blame.
> > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't
hear
> > him
> > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park
> and
> > > > Little E.
> > > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to
> blame
> > > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or
fault,
> > the
> > > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was
> annoyed
> > > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the
> > blame.
> > > -Tim
Tom, you're an "ellipses epileptic". :0) Wouldn't it be easier on your
period key to just punctuate normally? Give the damn key a rest man! ;0)
--
Joe Marques
Actually, its a bad habit. I'm trying to break from doing it but the old
"finger" goes to that period key...automatically it seems! Sorry, I'll try
to do better.
Tom
> Lannie :)
> > Tom...
> > At the start of a WC race......running in the pack and all the
distraction
> > of the field being bunched up......its like racing on the inside of a
> > washing machine....and the friggin' spin cycle comes on! There's no
time
> to
> > look at a side mirror.....or the tach....or the overhead five-way
mirror.
> > You don't take your eyes off the friggin' track and car(s) in front of
> > you...period! You also shouldn't change your lane......unless you are
> damn
> > sure you are clear. That was Rusty's fault....but hey, the cars drift
and
> > not always is the driver in total control of what lane he is in....or
> stays
> > in....especially at the start with cold tires....and a cold
driver.....and
> > the massive air turbulence of running two/three wide in a pack at a 150
> mph!
> > I'd love to blame Rusty for that accident, because I flat don't like the
> guy
> > (I have my own personal reasons)......but I can't. I've looked at the
> > replay a hundred times....and in my own mind....it was a "racing
> > accident"....unfortunate.....but that's what it looks like to me. This
is
> > my opinion, of course....but I'm only out to satisfy me.....not others.
> > Tom
> > > Simple fix, put regular side view mirrors on the cars, then they have
no
> > > spotter to blame.
> > > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't
> hear
> > > him
> > > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out
Park
> > and
> > > > > Little E.
> > > > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to
> > blame
> > > > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or
> fault,
> > > the
> > > > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was
> > annoyed
> > > > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass
the
> > > blame.
> > > > -Tim
TP
> > Tom...
> > At the start of a WC race......running in the pack and all the
distraction
> > of the field being bunched up......its like racing on the inside of a
> > washing machine....and the friggin' spin cycle comes on! There's no
time
> to
> > look at a side mirror.....or the tach....or the overhead five-way
mirror.
> > You don't take your eyes off the friggin' track and car(s) in front of
> > you...period! You also shouldn't change your lane......unless you are
> damn
> > sure you are clear. That was Rusty's fault....but hey, the cars drift
and
> > not always is the driver in total control of what lane he is in....or
> stays
> > in....especially at the start with cold tires....and a cold
driver.....and
> > the massive air turbulence of running two/three wide in a pack at a 150
> mph!
> > I'd love to blame Rusty for that accident, because I flat don't like the
> guy
> > (I have my own personal reasons)......but I can't. I've looked at the
> > replay a hundred times....and in my own mind....it was a "racing
> > accident"....unfortunate.....but that's what it looks like to me. This
is
> > my opinion, of course....but I'm only out to satisfy me.....not others.
> > Tom
> Tom, you're an "ellipses epileptic". :0) Wouldn't it be easier on your
> period key to just punctuate normally? Give the damn key a rest man! ;0)
> --
> Joe Marques
TP
PS: ***you guys, stop making me defend this jerk! .....lol.....
> > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear
him
> > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park and
> > Little E.
> > In fact he said he "thought he was clear....and wasn't. It was one of
> those
> > racing accidents that happen because we can't see down to the detail of
> > inches....and I was short of clearing by inches. Pocono....is not a
place
> > where your spotter helps you much....they are too far away from the cars
> to
> > do that." [paraphrased]
> > From what I saw in video replays......his description is accurate.
That's
> > not a "fault" incident...just a racing judgment incident...and that can
> > happen to any driver at any time....IMHO.
> > In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having
"caused"
> > that accident....
> > Tom
> > > Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if unsure.
If
> > > anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well.
> > > > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps
> > instead
> > > of
> > > > grass between the track and the fences ?
> > > > --
> > > > The first ever pinball ezboard !!
> > > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking about?
i
> > > dont
> > > > > have nbc :-\
> TP
> PS: ***you guys, stop making me defend this jerk! .....lol.....
> > He also said, I was running my line then bam, somebody took out my right
> > rear. Someone took me out.
> > He was trying to say, it wasn't anything I did.
> > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't hear
> him
> > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park
and
> > > Little E.
> > > In fact he said he "thought he was clear....and wasn't. It was one of
> > those
> > > racing accidents that happen because we can't see down to the detail
of
> > > inches....and I was short of clearing by inches. Pocono....is not a
> place
> > > where your spotter helps you much....they are too far away from the
cars
> > to
> > > do that." [paraphrased]
> > > From what I saw in video replays......his description is accurate.
> That's
> > > not a "fault" incident...just a racing judgment incident...and that
can
> > > happen to any driver at any time....IMHO.
> > > In this case....I think Rusty needs to be given a break on having
> "caused"
> > > that accident....
> > > Tom
> > > > Maybe Crusty should listen to his spotter or keep his line if
unsure.
> If
> > > > anything, admit it was his fault. Oh well.
> > > > > seeing the pictures of the crash why don't they have gravel traps
> > > instead
> > > > of
> > > > > grass between the track and the fences ?
> > > > > --
> > > > > The first ever pinball ezboard !!
> > > > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > > > > > is there any website with the big crash everyone is talking
about?
> i
> > > > dont
> > > > > > have nbc :-\
> I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to blame
> Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or fault,
the
> fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was annoyed
> because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the
blame.
> -Tim
On the other side, it can't be laid onto Steve either, he had the momentum
and outside position.
Blame Pocono for not having a spotter's stand anywhere but the front
stretch, a mile from where the incident took place...Final judgement: OOTRD
(one of them racin deals)
If was one of them racin deals but it definately was caused by the 2 car.
There is no question that all of those conditions helped to cause the
accident but even Rusty said in his post-crash interview that he is
responsible for where his car is and know where the other cars around him
are, not the spotter. Being the fact that it's Rusty's fault doesn't mean
he is a bad driver or even that it could have been avoided. The bottom line
is that the 1 car had position and the 2 car impeded on that position. Even
though the events may have been out of Rusty's control, (turbulence,
drifting, lack of vision, lack of spotter vision, etc) it is still his car
that caused the accident.
The original point was Rusty's attitude in his post-race interview that
another car caused the accident and that there was no concession of any
fault on his behalf.
-Tim
--
Joe Marques
Unless it was AFTER he went up and chopped off Steve's nose.
Actually, what really got Steve's car turned left was after the contact with
Rusty, Steve was indeed hit in the rear by Craven. This was, of course, not
Craven's fault. He just happened to be the one behind Steve when the
initial hit with Rusty slowed him down.
That turned hin left into the path of Jr.
And the rest was a hell of a ride.
Rusty wasn't hit in the rear, he put his RR quarter where it didn't belong,
for whatever reason :)
-Larry
> "He's not good at admitting fault." Yep...you are right about that. But
> he's not a total idiot, either. And, I don't think at the time of the TV
> interview that he really knew "why" he was hit in the rear....just that he
> was.
> Damn....I hate defending this guy.......but I can't find him "guilty" of
> shifting blame....not this time, at least.
> TP
> > I think so too. That's the way I read it. He kept on with the "Someone
> hit
> > me in the rear" stuff.
> > He's not good at admitting fault.
> > -Larry
> > > > I don't particularly care much for Rusty Wallace.....but I didn't
hear
> > him
> > > > dodging responsibility yesterday for the accident that took out Park
> and
> > > > Little E.
> > > I have to agree with Lannie, I thought RW was doing his damndest to
> blame
> > > Park for the accident. Whether it's called a racing judgement or
fault,
> > the
> > > fact is that Park had position and the 2 went up into him. I was
> annoyed
> > > because it was clearly Rusty's fault yet Rusty was trying to pass the
> > blame.
> > > -Tim
