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I may have put my point badly there. I am all in favour of bilingual
signs/labelling etc - I have a Welsh background, and all public bodies
in Wales are now required (under the Welsh Language Act, if you're
interested) to have an official bilingualism policy.

The only thing I object to is the (possibly isolated) cases in which
people have been stopped from using English at all. That seems to me to
have *** Big Brother-ish overtones.

But I certainly agree with you that a monolingual, monocultural planet
would be a dreary place. Let's all learn lots of languages!

Dw i'n hoffi yn dysgu'r iaith Cymraeg! (whihc means "I like learning
the Welsh language!")
--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Don't have any problems with that neither.  Our culture is very
international, since it's a mixture of about every society in existence.
But yet, the problem is different than in Europe.  Are you surrounded by 300
million English-speakers geographically? Take a map and look for the
province of Qubec.  You'll see that we are indeed surrounded everywhere
except from the North (but there's nothing up North mostly).  So our role is
to protect our culture, while at the same time Internationalising it `;)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

This is a completely different point.  We have access to every International
culture here, except for America.  English-Canadian CRTC laws protect
themselves by eliminating other cultures, which is something we don't want
to do.  Are we eliminating other languages ? Nope, they have the right to do
anything in English.

You know that English-speakers in Qubec actually live in a micro-society,
with their own Education and Health system, with specials laws made for them
exclusively?

You fail to realise the difference between protecting our culture and the
opening to other cultures.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

A free Quebec MUST have Speedvision!

Okay, so which is it?  On one hand, taking about Quebec law, you say ,
..." and then you say "We have access to every International culture
here except for America".  So, you want to be open to other cultures,
yet you let your government pass laws to restrict this openness.

Using your previous logic, there IS no difference, since, by your own
admission, the way the Quebec government "protects your culture" is by
passing laws that restrict the openness to other cultures.  Your
quote: "Those laws are neither extreme, just a protection of our
culture from the Americanization...".  

yep! ;-)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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But in Monmouthshire (south-east Wales, right near the English border)
only 3% are native Welsh-speakers, and the bilingualism laws still
apply. You can't put up an English-only roadsign in Monmouth, and nor
should you be able to put up a French-only one in Montral.
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Eheu!
The nom and the prenom giv
The verb-noun infinitiv
Bebop bebop

(See the Molesworth books by Geoffrey Willans and Ronald Searle, which
start with "Down with Skool" - as any fule kno.)

--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Don't even try to understand him.  Mordechai Richler would have a field day
with this...

Stephen

    Frank, you continue to bring this garbage up! The line you espouse is
not held by the majority of the people living in your province. You continue
to twist and distort the truth to meet your own personal political agenda.
    There is no oppression in Quebec by any stretch of the imagination.
Your ignorance of history and the laws amazes me! I have got into this
discussion with you in the past and I know it is a waste of time.
    This protecting of culture you keep mentioning is a short form for
bigotry. Why don't you tell others here how certain groups of people
in Montreal will throw rocks through the windows of a certain Florist
in Rosemont I believe, who has refused for years to change his signage.
    Quebec has its own distinct laws, taxation, judicial and health care
system. So much for us anglophones imposing our ways on you.
    Time for a reality check Frank, the real world awaits you!

    Pete

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Tl Grand Vitesse, you mean, surely? :-)

--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

it.

If Canada were like Switzerland, there would not be one single school
(public or private), university or hospital functioning in English in
the province of Quebec.  And there would be not one single
French-language institution outside Quebec either.

While you are sojourning in Switzerland, perhaps you should familiarize
yourself with the language policies of a canton such as, say, the
Ticino, just down the way.  Its laws on Italian are far stricter than
Quebec's (German schooling is banned, for example, in spite of the
presence of a substantial German-speaking minority).  These laws have
been upheld by the Swiss federal court, contrary to Quebec's, which have
been largely emasculated by the Supreme Court of Canada.

Marco A.

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Before you buy.

Which I imagine is one of the many reasons Switzerland doesn't want to join the
EU, since that would make a ban on German schooling illegal (Turkey has the
same problem with regard to Turkish).

Mind you, Switzerland isn't known for its progressiveness in minority rights
areas - look how hard it is to get citizenship for a foreign resident.

--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

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Oops - I meant Kurdish.

--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Did you learn the different languages when you were a kid?  It seems very
difficult to learn another language as an ***.  I took French as a
kid(forgotten it).  I'd like to re-learn French, and learn Spanish, and maybe
German.  It doesn't seem EASY now, though...

Eldred
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