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Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

Incubu

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Incubu » Sat, 08 May 2004 03:20:47

All things being equal, will a (or all ) Radeon 9200 cards out perform my
current Voodoo 3 2000 ?

The way my agp slot on the mobo is keyed, the 9200 is the highest model that
will fit into my abit 133 bx.

I'm going by the diagram at this link ( bottom of page ):

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

I know a 9200 isn't exactly earth shattering, but I don't want to change my
motherboard, and cpu, just yet, so I'm just looking to get something that
will give me 32 bit color and be equal to or better than my voodoo.

Any help much appreciated.

Goy Larse

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Goy Larse » Sat, 08 May 2004 03:44:15


> All things being equal, will a (or all ) Radeon 9200 cards out perform my
> current Voodoo 3 2000 ?

> The way my agp slot on the mobo is keyed, the 9200 is the highest model that
> will fit into my abit 133 bx.

> I'm going by the diagram at this link ( bottom of page ):

> http://www.ati.com/support/faq/agpchart.html

> I know a 9200 isn't exactly earth shattering, but I don't want to change my
> motherboard, and cpu, just yet, so I'm just looking to get something that
> will give me 32 bit color and be equal to or better than my voodoo.

Depending on the CPU of course, but I went from a Voodoo5 to the ATI
R8500 and the speed difference was amazing

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Slug

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Slug » Sat, 08 May 2004 03:46:08


>All things being equal, will a (or all ) Radeon 9200 cards out perform my
>current Voodoo 3 2000 ?

>The way my agp slot on the mobo is keyed, the 9200 is the highest model that
>will fit into my abit 133 bx.

>I'm going by the diagram at this link ( bottom of page ):

>http://www.ati.com/support/faq/agpchart.html

>I know a 9200 isn't exactly earth shattering, but I don't want to change my
>motherboard, and cpu, just yet, so I'm just looking to get something that
>will give me 32 bit color and be equal to or better than my voodoo.

>Any help much appreciated.

Yea, it will be faster than a Voodoo3. 9200 is even faster than a
Voodoo5, if memory serves me correct. 9200 is about the same as an
R8500, right?
Karsten Borcher

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Karsten Borcher » Sat, 08 May 2004 04:17:49

There are different versions of the 9200 (R280 chip). It is basicly a 8500,
but it comes with both a 64-bit, and 128-bit bus. SE versions are 64 bit's,
and some none SE are too. Go for a 128-bit version.
Then there are the Pro versions with faster ram, and faster core.

/ Borchers



> >All things being equal, will a (or all ) Radeon 9200 cards out perform my
> >current Voodoo 3 2000 ?

> >The way my agp slot on the mobo is keyed, the 9200 is the highest model
that
> >will fit into my abit 133 bx.

> >I'm going by the diagram at this link ( bottom of page ):

> >http://www.ati.com/support/faq/agpchart.html

> >I know a 9200 isn't exactly earth shattering, but I don't want to change
my
> >motherboard, and cpu, just yet, so I'm just looking to get something that
> >will give me 32 bit color and be equal to or better than my voodoo.

> >Any help much appreciated.

> Yea, it will be faster than a Voodoo3. 9200 is even faster than a
> Voodoo5, if memory serves me correct. 9200 is about the same as an
> R8500, right?

Rich

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Rich » Sat, 08 May 2004 07:32:13

I found that the difference depends primarily on which way you want to go.
If you want faster frame rates, go for the Radeon.
If you can live with slower rates but want outstanding Full Scene
Anti-Aliasing, I think the Voodoo wins there.
I would still be using my V5 5500 agp if it supported a Transform and
Lighting Engine, which is required for all new games now.
That is the only reason I went with the Radeon (8500).


Jan Verschuere

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Jan Verschuere » Sat, 08 May 2004 08:44:20

The Radeon will smoke the V3 in any game/application which doesn't support
the latter's native Glide renderer, but relies on D3D or OpenGL instead.
Heck, even a TNT2 Ultra will kick the V3's ass in OpenGL.

Jan.
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Eldre

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Eldre » Sat, 08 May 2004 09:33:16

Really?  I went from a V5 to a Ti4600, and didn't really notice any
improvement(actually LOST fps in GPL).  The only thing the upgrade gained me
was that I could now run n2k3.  I couldn't with the V5.

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Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by PlowBo » Sat, 08 May 2004 09:41:17

Incubus,

I have the Abit bx6r2, in that machine I have the geforce2 Mx (before they
came out with the 200 & 400 versions).  It replaced my voodoo4(? I had the
highest one they ever produced, in fact the X-wife still has it in her
machine, last I knew.), yeah it was lots faster.  but the "voodoo" tittles
looked like crap.

Not that long ago, I bought a better card, for the computer I have since
upgraded to now, & since I bought the card long before I had finalized the
purchase of the upgrad  motherboard & cpu),  for giggles, I tried the
geforce4 ti4600 128 card in that same old machine.  As you can imagine, It
was not but a smidgen better than the geforce2mx, due to the 1000 Mhz CPU I
had in there was definitly a bottle neck, as was the 2x AGP...  (the BH6&BX6
are older than your board I have to bet, as they wouldnt do 133mhz/buss or
cpu's (they were slot1 boards, BTW for P-2's ))

So I dont think that the radeon's that are comparable will "not" work in
your motherboard.  they will be sort of crippled, I guess...  but I know a
crippled geforce4 ti4600 was lots faster than the voodoo4 I had.


> All things being equal, will a (or all ) Radeon 9200 cards out
> perform my current Voodoo 3 2000 ?

> The way my agp slot on the mobo is keyed, the 9200 is the highest
> model that will fit into my abit 133 bx.

> I'm going by the diagram at this link ( bottom of page ):

> http://www.ati.com/support/faq/agpchart.html

> I know a 9200 isn't exactly earth shattering, but I don't want to
> change my motherboard, and cpu, just yet, so I'm just looking to get
> something that will give me 32 bit color and be equal to or better
> than my voodoo.

> Any help much appreciated.

Malc

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Malc » Sat, 08 May 2004 09:52:54


I can only say your experience is not the norm Eldred ;-)

I went from a V3 to a Kyro2 (about the same speed in D3D as the V3 in
GLide) to a Gf4200 that absolutely killed the V3 & Kyro2 in every
respect and is faster, more compatible & almost as good at filtering &
AA as the V5 in my second PC.

I don't know why it isn't, but your Gf4600 should be /significantly/
faster in OpenGL than your V3 even in GLide.

Malc.

Stuart Becktel

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Stuart Becktel » Sat, 08 May 2004 11:12:33


That is probably because Papyrus made drivers specifically for the voodoo
range of cards.

Ruud van Ga

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Ruud van Ga » Sat, 08 May 2004 18:03:32

On Fri, 07 May 2004 02:12:33 GMT, "Stuart Becktell"




>> >Depending on the CPU of course, but I went from a Voodoo5 to the ATI
>> >R8500 and the speed difference was amazing

>> Really?  I went from a V5 to a Ti4600, and didn't really notice any
>> improvement(actually LOST fps in GPL).  The only thing the upgrade gained
>me
>> was that I could now run n2k3.  I couldn't with the V5.

>> Eldred
>> --

>That is probably because Papyrus made drivers specifically for the voodoo
>range of cards.

Or software... In those days, NOT sending a triangle was very
important. GPL uses a tree to render its triangles, so it can cull per
triangle.
Nowadays, it's better to just send bursts of triangles and let the gfx
card deal with some of the culling (doing only rough culling on the
CPU). So GPL is better suited to old hardware; the new hardware is
just so fast it doesn't matter that much anymore.

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Eldre

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Eldre » Sat, 08 May 2004 23:35:37

I installed my Ti4600 in my other computer for comparison.  I'll post after I
get it typed up...

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Slug

Radeon 9200 vs Voodoo 3 2000

by Slug » Mon, 10 May 2004 16:10:16


> I found that the difference depends primarily on which way you want to go.
> If you want faster frame rates, go for the Radeon.
> If you can live with slower rates but want outstanding Full Scene
> Anti-Aliasing, I think the Voodoo wins there.

He has a Voodoo3 though which doesn't do FSAA. I used to have a V5 and
it was a very nice card but it's only equal to about a Geforce2 in speed.

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