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by **Jacvil** » Sat, 30 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Just curious as to what kind of times people are putting up in the TOCA2 demo.
I've been able to crack 1:20 JUST BARELY, and these were pretty sloppy laps.
The problem is, the AI cars seem to average about 1:20 laps over the 3 lap
race. I guess I'm just not consistent enough yet.........

by **Zonk** » Sat, 30 Jan 1999 04:00:00

>Path:
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>Just curious as to what kind of times people are putting up in the TOCA2 demo.
>I've been able to crack 1:20 JUST BARELY, and these were pretty sloppy laps.
>The problem is, the AI cars seem to average about 1:20 laps over the 3 lap
>race. I guess I'm just not consistent enough yet.........

1:13 is my best- in the F Ford.....

1:15 is my best in the honda.

Which begs the question- considering the F Ford's are slower IRL, how does
this happen? :)

Z.

by **Vince Fishe** » Sat, 30 Jan 1999 04:00:00

>>Path:
>Status: N

>>Just curious as to what kind of times people are putting up in the TOCA2 demo.
>>I've been able to crack 1:20 JUST BARELY, and these were pretty sloppy laps.
>>The problem is, the AI cars seem to average about 1:20 laps over the 3 lap
>>race. I guess I'm just not consistent enough yet.........

>1:13 is my best- in the F Ford.....

>1:15 is my best in the honda.

>Which begs the question- considering the F Ford's are slower IRL, how does
>this happen? :)

>Z.

1.06.54 in the Van Diemens :-)
U have to up the gear ratios and stiffen the suspension.
do an hour or 2 in GPL then jump straight in the Van Diemens and u will
fly around the track,and have lots of fun too.

--
Vince Fisher

by **John Walla** » Sat, 30 Jan 1999 04:00:00

1:11.9 something in the FF and 1:13 something in the Honda. There's a
lot more in there, I've yet to put together a "complete" lap in either
car - I always get a bit sideways or lose acceleration. There seems to
be some wierd stuff possible with screwy setups or by course cutting
too.

Cheers!
John

by **Paul Jone** » Sat, 30 Jan 1999 04:00:00

There was an article in a motor mag quite recently where Reid's Nissan, a Formula Ford and a
Tuscan were compared. The Tuscan got fastest, the Nissan 2nd and the Formula Ford third. The
interesting thing was that in certain sections the FF was faster than the Nissan (can't remember
which) (and considering that the Nissan was way by orders of magnitude the most expensive car it
was rather surprising that the relatively cheaper Tuscan and much cheaper FF could hold their
own). Following on from that it would not be surprising if the FF were faster on some tracks than
the BTCC cars though I'm not suggesting that Croft would be that circuit,
Cheers,
Paul

> >Path:
> Status: N

> >Just curious as to what kind of times people are putting up in the TOCA2 demo.
> >I've been able to crack 1:20 JUST BARELY, and these were pretty sloppy laps.
> >The problem is, the AI cars seem to average about 1:20 laps over the 3 lap
> >race. I guess I'm just not consistent enough yet.........

> 1:13 is my best- in the F Ford.....

> 1:15 is my best in the honda.

> Which begs the question- considering the F Ford's are slower IRL, how does
> this happen? :)

> Z.

by **Jim Bonewa** » Sun, 31 Jan 1999 04:00:00

>Just curious as to what kind of times people are putting up in the TOCA2 demo.
>I've been able to crack 1:20 JUST BARELY, and these were pretty sloppy laps.
>The problem is, the AI cars seem to average about 1:20 laps over the 3 lap
>race. I guess I'm just not consistent enough yet.........

Ran a 1:12 in the Honda.

by **Tim Robinso** » Sun, 31 Jan 1999 04:00:00

I've done about 100 laps on it so far and am down to 1:18 - but I'm still
on the auto box

> Just curious as to what kind of times people are putting up in the TOCA2
demo.
> I've been able to crack 1:20 JUST BARELY, and these were pretty sloppy
laps.
> The problem is, the AI cars seem to average about 1:20 laps over the 3
lap
> race. I guess I'm just not consistent enough yet.........

by **John Walla** » Sun, 31 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Now down to 1:06s in the FF and 1:11s in the Honda. The secret (for
me) was to get rid of the "dead zone" in the controller menu, reducing
it to 1-2%. It makes balancing the car in a corner so much smoother,
so I carry more speed through and out. Previously I was always sliding
or wheelspinning and losing time.

My best race in the TC was a 1:17 followed by a 1:13.12 then a 1:12.96
:-)

Cheers!
John

by **ddjhenri** » Tue, 02 Feb 1999 04:00:00

1:16.7something. but most of my laps are around 1:20.
I am blowing the first turn and the last big lefthander(not the
hairpin).....I don't feel comfy with either. anyone have any setup tips??

dave henrie

>>>Path:
>>Status: N

>>>Just curious as to what kind of times people are putting up in the TOCA2
demo.
>>>I've been able to crack 1:20 JUST BARELY, and these were pretty sloppy
laps.
>>>The problem is, the AI cars seem to average about 1:20 laps over the 3
lap
>>>race. I guess I'm just not consistent enough yet.........

>>1:13 is my best- in the F Ford.....

>>1:15 is my best in the honda.

>>Which begs the question- considering the F Ford's are slower IRL, how does
>>this happen? :)

>>Z.

>1.06.54 in the Van Diemens :-)
>U have to up the gear ratios and stiffen the suspension.
>do an hour or 2 in GPL then jump straight in the Van Diemens and u will
>fly around the track,and have lots of fun too.

>--
>Vince Fisher

by **Paul Jone** » Wed, 03 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Nathan,
I think the BTCC cars have modified suspensions, lighter weight (though heavier than a Formula Ford)
and aerodynamic features (skirts spoilers etc) not seen on the road models. New rules for the 1999
season are intended to significantly reduce performance, cost and to make the racing closer - heard
that before? But of course the basic shell is the same and the centre of gravity high and in the main
you are right,
Cheers,
Paul

> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:56:08 +0000, Paul Jones

> Why is it suprising that a cheaper, but purpose designed racing
> Formula Ford is faster than the more expensive, but limited by design
> Nissan Primera?

> The Formula Ford has full race suspension and setups, a very aero
> shape, and very light weight, where the Primera is limited by the
> original cars suspension, aerodynamics and weight

> >There was an article in a motor mag quite recently where Reid's Nissan, a Formula Ford and a
> >Tuscan were compared. The Tuscan got fastest, the Nissan 2nd and the Formula Ford third. The
> >interesting thing was that in certain sections the FF was faster than the Nissan (can't remember
> >which) (and considering that the Nissan was way by orders of magnitude the most expensive car it
> >was rather surprising that the relatively cheaper Tuscan and much cheaper FF could hold their
> >own). Following on from that it would not be surprising if the FF were faster on some tracks than
> >the BTCC cars though I'm not suggesting that Croft would be that circuit,
> >Cheers,
> >Paul

> --
> Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors
> - Super Touring - Alfa Romeo -

> - V8Supercars - CART -

by **John Walla** » Wed, 03 Feb 1999 04:00:00

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:51:31 -0800, "ddjhenrie"

> 1:16.7something. but most of my laps are around 1:20.
>I am blowing the first turn and the last big lefthander(not the
>hairpin).....I don't feel comfy with either. anyone have any setup tips??

Both turns are very similar in approach, and are taken with a
gentle-medium lift. What really helped me was reducing the dead zone
on all axes to around 2-3% (just enough to kill any "jitter") as this
gives more precise control. Previously nothing would happen for the
first several degrees of turn then the car would suddenly lurch over.

When taking these turns basically back off enough to get through, but
not so much that you lock up the rears and spin out. I find lifting
heavily a second or so before turn-in to slow the car down, then
getting halfway back onto the power to keep the rear gripping works
well.

Cheers!
John

by **Nathan Wo** » Thu, 04 Feb 1999 04:00:00

On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 02:57:13 +0000, Paul Jones

>Nathan,
>I think the BTCC cars have modified suspensions, lighter weight (though heavier than a Formula Ford)
>and aerodynamic features (skirts spoilers etc) not seen on the road models. New rules for the 1999
>season are intended to significantly reduce performance, cost and to make the racing closer - heard
>that before? But of course the basic shell is the same and the centre of gravity high and in the main
>you are right,
>Cheers,
>Paul

FWD Super Touring cars must weigh 975kg
RWD Super Touring Must weigh 1000kg
4WD Super Touring must weigh 1040kg

Wheels are limited to a maximum of 9" width, but most sit around
8-8.25" wide, with tyres approximately 210mm wide.
Suspension points can be changed within about 5mm, but the original
style of suspension must be retained, so if it has struts, you have to
race with them. Ditto for wishbones.

Spoilers are limited in how low they can be, and the rear wings are
also very limited. Very rarely do they actually sit in the full
airflow off the back of the car.

Basically, its a roadcar modfied to go racing. An open wheeler is
deisgned from the outset to go fast.

--
Nathan Wong http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors
- Super Touring - Alfa Romeo -

- V8Supercars - CART -

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