rec.autos.simulators

by **jon** » Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:20:02

I hate hearing about motorcycle accidents. My brother started riding last
year. He works third shift near the airport in Atlanta, and goes to Ga Tech,
so he pretty much mingles with some of the worst traffic in the southeast.

Saw accident photos of a guy who was killed on a motorcycle. The one that
stands out the most was a picture of a tennis shoe with an orange circle
spray painted around it. Foot was still in it, torn off a little above the
ankle. Not pretty.

This was in the late '80s, and I wouldn't have rode one then. No chance in
hell I would now, not with the all the SUV's and cellphones on the road.

by **Larr** » Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:53:37

Thanks for the link!

I'll have to search for it elsewhere, however. I will not create an account
with this site. I find it far too annoying to consider.

Thanks :)

-Larry

by **Larr** » Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:57:22

I will trail-ride (I love it, but haven't been in years), but I will never
ride a bike on the street.

I lost too many sailors to Motorcycle accidents when I was in the Navy.

Part of it is the fault of the dealers. Yeah, yeah, I know everyone makes
their own choices, but when you offer an 18 year old E-3 Sailor the
opportunity to buy a Crotch-Rocket with no money down, and a paycheck
allotment of $75 a month, well, you're adding fuel to the fire.

-Larry

> In my early twenties all I owned was a bike. For three years I commuted
to
> SJ, I rode through rain sleet (no snow in cali where I live). My best
> friend also owned a bike and we had loads of fun riding together. Right
up
> till I saw him laying dead in a casket. The fun went away in a split
second
> for both of us. A drunk driver clobbered him and his girlfriend (she did
> live) on his bike as they headed over the hill to Santa Cruz one friday
> night in the summer of 85'. I sold my bike shortly after and havent
ridden
> since. Huge wake up call for me. At the time my son was less than a yr
old
> and I couldnt take such a huge risk any longer. Certain things in
people's
> lives are life-changing, this was one of those times for me. I woke up
that
> morning a fearless happy boy and went to sleep that evening a scared and
> lonely man. Way too many clueless drivers everywhere (cali especially
bad)
> and this was a long time ago with far fewer cars on the roads. Is it
worth
> it to you or your loved ones that must carry the burden of your choices?

> Mitch

> > >I urge you to try SBK 2K1 again. It's a lot of fun, despite the lack
of
> > >good bike-style controllers. The Thrustmaster Freestyler Bike
controller
> > >gets good reviews, but I don't think any controller or current bike sim
> can
> > >correctly emulate the countersteering inherent to motorcycle riding.
Do
> you
> > >ride? I currently have a Kawi 500R.

> > I've never been on a motorcycle in my LIFE. I was going to sign up for
a
> > motorcycle safety course this summer, but they were full...dammit. This
> course
> > was only $25, and they provided the bikes for you. A lady at work who
> rides
> > says the same course will be $350 next year. That means I probably
won't
> ever
> > do it. At $25, it's an easy way to see if I'd like to own a bike
someday.
> At
> > $350, that's too much... :-(

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > Member
> > Screamers Racing League
> > IICC League
> > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38
> > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77
> > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress
> > N2k3 rank:in progress

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by **Mitch_** » Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:15:01

You darn Sailors. Us grunts have to teach you everything... You don't ride
a motorcycle in the water you ride it on the dirt :)

Yea a dealer in Fayetteville (Ft. Bragg NC) nearly had me on a Nighthawk 750
but I was going to Italy soon so I decided against it. The cadre preached
HARD against any of us getting bikes for that very reason.

> I lost too many sailors to Motorcycle accidents when I was in the Navy.

> Part of it is the fault of the dealers. Yeah, yeah, I know everyone makes
> their own choices, but when you offer an 18 year old E-3 Sailor the
> opportunity to buy a Crotch-Rocket with no money down, and a paycheck
> allotment of $75 a month, well, you're adding fuel to the fire.

> -Larry

> > In my early twenties all I owned was a bike. For three years I commuted
> to
> > SJ, I rode through rain sleet (no snow in cali where I live). My best
> > friend also owned a bike and we had loads of fun riding together. Right
> up
> > till I saw him laying dead in a casket. The fun went away in a split
> second
> > for both of us. A drunk driver clobbered him and his girlfriend (she
did
> > live) on his bike as they headed over the hill to Santa Cruz one friday
> > night in the summer of 85'. I sold my bike shortly after and havent
> ridden
> > since. Huge wake up call for me. At the time my son was less than a yr
> old
> > and I couldnt take such a huge risk any longer. Certain things in
> people's
> > lives are life-changing, this was one of those times for me. I woke up
> that
> > morning a fearless happy boy and went to sleep that evening a scared and
> > lonely man. Way too many clueless drivers everywhere (cali especially
> bad)
> > and this was a long time ago with far fewer cars on the roads. Is it
> worth
> > it to you or your loved ones that must carry the burden of your choices?

> > Mitch

> > > >I urge you to try SBK 2K1 again. It's a lot of fun, despite the lack
> of
> > > >good bike-style controllers. The Thrustmaster Freestyler Bike
> controller
> > > >gets good reviews, but I don't think any controller or current bike
sim
> > can
> > > >correctly emulate the countersteering inherent to motorcycle riding.
> Do
> > you
> > > >ride? I currently have a Kawi 500R.

> > > I've never been on a motorcycle in my LIFE. I was going to sign up
for
> a
> > > motorcycle safety course this summer, but they were full...dammit.
This
> > course
> > > was only $25, and they provided the bikes for you. A lady at work who
> > rides
> > > says the same course will be $350 next year. That means I probably
> won't
> > ever
> > > do it. At $25, it's an easy way to see if I'd like to own a bike
> someday.
> > At
> > > $350, that's too much... :-(

> > > Eldred
> > > --
> > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > > Member
> > > Screamers Racing League
> > > IICC League
> > > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38
> > > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77
> > > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress
> > > N2k3 rank:in progress

> > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

by **Eldre** » Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:33:41

>In my early twenties all I owned was a bike. For three years I commuted to
>SJ, I rode through rain sleet (no snow in cali where I live). My best
>friend also owned a bike and we had loads of fun riding together. Right up
>till I saw him laying dead in a casket. The fun went away in a split second
>for both of us. A drunk driver clobbered him and his girlfriend (she did
>live) on his bike as they headed over the hill to Santa Cruz one friday
>night in the summer of 85'. I sold my bike shortly after and havent ridden
>since. Huge wake up call for me. At the time my son was less than a yr old
>and I couldnt take such a huge risk any longer. Certain things in people's
>lives are life-changing, this was one of those times for me. I woke up that
>morning a fearless happy boy and went to sleep that evening a scared and
>lonely man. Way too many clueless drivers everywhere (cali especially bad)
>and this was a long time ago with far fewer cars on the roads. Is it worth
>it to you or your loved ones that must carry the burden of your choices?

I won't lie to you - last year I had to re-think my interest in motorcycles. A
bowling teammate was killed on his bike at the end of the season in May, 2002.
We saw him on the last night of bowling. When I went to the payoff the
following week, I found out that he'd been killed sometime that week. 26 years
old - gone. Sobering experience.
There are clueless drivers all over the place. They can get you in a car as
well. All I can do is have confidence in my *own* abilities, and practice
situational awareness for those who may not be in total control. If I was
going to let the possibility that a drunk driver may total me and my car worry
me, I wouldn't go out on the roads at ALL.

If you stop living(doing things you enjoy) because of what *might* happen, why
bother to live at all...? We're all going do die someday anyway - we might as
well enjoy the journey.
I'm not belittling your decision (although I realize it might seem that way).
I guess I just haven't had that life-changing event yet.<shrug>

Eldred
--
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
Member
Screamers Racing League
IICC League
GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38
ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77
Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress
N2k3 rank:in progress

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by **Mitch_** » Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:38:01

Sry to hear bout your buddy.

Its not that Im "hiding" in a corner waiting for the inevitable, its more
like does the reward outweigh the risk? With (at the time) 1 kid the risk
was no longer worth it. Part of being a man is realizing the decisions you
make will impact those who surround your life and I sure dont want my
children raised without me.

> I won't lie to you - last year I had to re-think my interest in
motorcycles. A
> bowling teammate was killed on his bike at the end of the season in May,
2002.
> We saw him on the last night of bowling. When I went to the payoff the
> following week, I found out that he'd been killed sometime that week. 26
years
> old - gone. Sobering experience.
> There are clueless drivers all over the place. They can get you in a car
as
> well. All I can do is have confidence in my *own* abilities, and practice
> situational awareness for those who may not be in total control. If I was
> going to let the possibility that a drunk driver may total me and my car
worry
> me, I wouldn't go out on the roads at ALL.

> If you stop living(doing things you enjoy) because of what *might* happen,
why
> bother to live at all...? We're all going do die someday anyway - we
might as
> well enjoy the journey.
> I'm not belittling your decision (although I realize it might seem that
way).
> I guess I just haven't had that life-changing event yet.<shrug>

> Eldred
> --
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> Member
> Screamers Racing League
> IICC League
> GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38
> ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77
> Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress
> N2k3 rank:in progress

> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

by **Eldre** » Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:07:10

>Its not that Im "hiding" in a corner waiting for the inevitable, its more
>like does the reward outweigh the risk? With (at the time) 1 kid the risk
>was no longer worth it. Part of being a man is realizing the decisions you
>make will impact those who surround your life and I sure dont want my
>children raised without me.

I guess that since I don't have kids of my own yet, my mindset is a bit
different.

Eldred
--
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
Member
Screamers Racing League
IICC League
GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38
ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77
Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress
N2k3 rank:in progress

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by **pjgt..** » Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:12:59

Presently I have the following installed:

GPL:
F1GP3: including 2002 season patch.
EA F1-2002:
GTR 2002 patch including:
LeMans 2002:
BMW M3 Racing:
BPR 1996 Racing:
Alfa 147 Challenge:
Colin McRae 2:
EA Superbike 2001:
F1RC:
TOCA 2:
Rally Masters:
Live for speed (Demo):
Netkar (demo):
Racer (demo):

==================

Previously I've had the following installed:

EA Superbike 2000:
Castrol Superbike World Championship:
TOCA:
F1 Racing (Ubisoft):
F1GP2:
F1GP (World Circuit Racing):
Nascar Racing:
Rally Championship:
Super 1 Karting:
Super Karts:
Network Q Rally Championship:
Screamer 2:
Screamer:
Insane:
Re-Volt:

================

*Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~pjgtech/home.html

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