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Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

Byron Forbe

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Byron Forbe » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00



> Zonker, although in principle you may be right, I just find it strange
> and in very bad taste that you chose that topic for your "quest" to
> "save" this NG

   Yes, and not to mention he's just simply wrong and looking for an argument! It's like
me saying I want all the N2, NFS2, TOCA, etc people to***off. I don't know who this guy
thinks he is or what his big problem is.
Byron Forbe

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Byron Forbe » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00


> Besides,
> It should be the first concern in motorsports to avoid spectators being
> killed or getting injured. Obviously, the safety isn't a important in
> those idiot American ovalraces.

    This sounds odd to me. Motorsport and safety? If you want safety, stay away from motorsport.
It's dangerous ya know!

   Yeah. just ask Ayrton's family, etc, etc. What a load of anti American ***all this was! The
best races I've seen this year have been CHAMP cars on ovals! To me, a little death and injury,
even in the stands, just adds colour and greatness to the sport! In fact, it has always been my
dream to have a pop up anti tank wall at Indianapolis right under those famous strip of bricks
and pop her up just after the green flys on lap 1! Now that would be a spectacle for ya!

Byron Forbe

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Byron Forbe » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00

   Friggin' hell. Will you look at all this off topic nonsense on this decaying NG!
Byron Forbe

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Byron Forbe » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00


> But can't you see that Off-Topic posting are accepted since _YEARS_ here on
> r.a.s. and I don't see why it should not be tolerated.  I can start a
> democratic voting process if you want and make the changes to the
> charter/FAQ if you want.

> Heck off-topic posting make this newsgroup more enjoyable. Don't you see
> there isn't any of those big fights and flamewars since around 2months ?
> (well that's partially my fault hehe).

   I can't understand why some of you are agreeing that this thread is off topic. It's
about motorsport, and this ng is dedicated to the simulation of motorsport. I've never
seen such nitpicking bullshit anywhere.
Zonk

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Zonk » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00




>> Zonker, although in principle you may be right, I just find it strange
>> and in very bad taste that you chose that topic for your "quest" to
>> "save" this NG

>   Yes, and not to mention he's just simply wrong and looking for an argument!
> It's like
>me saying I want all the N2, NFS2, TOCA, etc people to***off. I don't know
> who this guy
>thinks he is or what his big problem is.

Er?

Sorry, but i think you've completely missed the point. I suggest you go back
and read the thread.

Z.

Steve Ferguso

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Steve Ferguso » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00

And we Formula One fans should not be so smug.  what happened at
Imola 1994?  No, I am not referring to Senna, because that topic
has been done to death.  I'm referring to the start line
incndent between Lehto and Lamy that sprayed debris up into
the stands.  If any of those pieces flew differently, then
there would be dead spectators instead of injured ones.  And
near the end of the race Alboreto's wheel took a trip into the
stands.

If you wnat to avoid the risk, you have to stay at home in front
of the TV, or buy a really bad ticket.  I used to go to the
Detroit GP during the turbo era.  I bought general admission
tickets and tried to get as close to the track as I could.
Yes, there was a risk, and I fully understood it.  But it
didn't stop me from standing where I did.  And it didn't make
me want an extra fence installed.

Stephen

Han Monsee

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Han Monsee » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00



> > Besides,
> > It should be the first concern in motorsports to avoid spectators being
> > killed or getting injured. Obviously, the safety isn't a important in
> > those idiot American ovalraces.

>     This sounds odd to me. Motorsport and safety? If you want safety, stay away from motorsport.
> It's dangerous ya know!

We should accept risk to some level, but I think that Oval-racing lies
beyond that limit, just like the overpowerd 1967 F1 cars on the over-fast
circuits that wer used then

little death and injury,
I think it is no use to react on this....

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Goy Larse

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Goy Larse » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00



> -snip-
> >What are you smoking Zonker, motorsport events are NOT supposed to be
> >dangerous for spectators...
> Really?  How do you come to that conclusion?

Yeah right, bet a lot of people would take their kids to motorsport
events if they thought it would actually be dangerous for them, if they
got hurt, couldn`t the parents then be tried in court for puttimg their
kids in danger or something ?

Yes I know people have gotten hurt at soccer games when the crowd goes
nuts and stuff like that, but that is one of those freek things we`ve
been discussing, that is beyond anyones control and not really a part of
what`s going on the event itself.

As a spectator I pretty much expect to be kept safe from what`s going on
at the track (not suggesting that MIS was at fault here, I really think
that was one of those thing that are very hard for organisers to
prevent, and as long as they learn from it so they try to prevent it
happening again...), as long as I follow the guidelines of behaviour as
outlined by the organiser

So you are actually saying that one of the reasons people go to
motorsports events is the thrill of living dangerously as a spectator
???

(And lets not bring up rallying in Portugal or anything, THAT`s insane)

Well, that says a lot about what kind of person you are if you think
like that and bring your kids along to one of these things.

A calculated risk is when I take my roadcar to a trackday and put my
helmet on, NOT when I buy a ticket to see other people do something
similar, then the risk should be VERY close to nil

Those guys I used to help out would not have raced if they thought the
organisers hadn`t done everything they knew to keep the spectators safe
from their own mistakes, how are they supposed to do their job if they
KNOW that some parts of the track is not safe and a mistake at that part
would easily kill or injure spectators ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
UncleGoy

Bruce Kennewel

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Bruce Kennewel » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00

Then may I suggest a visit to rec.autos.sport.f1?

Post a note about....ohhhh.....a CART-related matter, or NASCAR, and see
what sort of reaction you receive from the nitpickers!!


> I've never
> seen such nitpicking bullshit anywhere.

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Bruce.
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Bruce Kennewel

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Bruce Kennewel » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00

There is more likelihood of being killed in an aircraft accident than
there is of being killed or even injured as a spectator at a motor
racing event.


> A

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Bruce.
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Bruce Kennewel

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Bruce Kennewel » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00

Oh Hans..... you really are a giggle!! :o)
Not a realist, nor even a student of human behaviour, but certainly a
comedian!


> just like the overpowerd 1967 F1 cars on the over-fast
> circuits that wer used then

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Tim -fusio

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Tim -fusio » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00


>>That wheel wouldn't have ended up in the crowd if there was a gravel
>>trap instead of a wall.
>Oval racing Tim, oval racing...big difference between that and
>dedicated road courses.

I realize there is the banking to contend with, and there are no
absolutes at that speed, but I can't think of a circumstance where
it's better to hit a concrete wall than a gravel trap.
We'll use your road course example. Where was Krosnoff  <sp> killed?
That was a temporary road course with concrete barriers if I remember
correctly?

I love all kind of racing, but I still don't like the design of a lot
of US tracks.

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Bart Westr

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Bart Westr » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00


I think this thread is off topic. It would be on topic if the subject was
how this kind of accident is treated by the sims. In most of the sims today,
as far as I know, people are never injured. Only cars and some objects get
damaged. On the other end of the spectrum is a game like Carmageddon, but
that is not a sim.
Seems to me that the sims only simulate the sunny side of racing (fun,
e***ment etc.) and leave out the dark side. So they are sort of romancing
racing and not so close to reality as they (cl)aim to be.

Bart Westra

SNAKE

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by SNAKE » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00

>I love all kind of racing, but I still don't like the design of a lot
>of US tracks.

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Han Monsee

Three spectators killed at Michigan Intl. Speedway during CART US 500

by Han Monsee » Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:00:00


> Oh Hans..... you really are a giggle!! :o)
> Not a realist, nor even a student of human behaviour, but certainly a
> comedian!


> > just like the overpowerd 1967 F1 cars on the over-fast
> > circuits that wer used then

You've put my text out of the context. Quoting the way you do, you can
make anyone say anything

Besides, I don't need a 's' behing my name!!!!!
It's Han, not Hans!!!

Han Monsees

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