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World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

Tim

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by Tim » Thu, 24 May 2001 07:33:20

I've been reading the WSC stuff, and I'm wondering how the cars
compare to the cars run in the Motorola Cup races on Speedvision.
Looks like many of the same stock-bodied cars are used. Are they the
same?

I hate to be negative, but the stands at the Motorola Cup races are a
virtual ghost town. I like the racing, but I actually wonder how
Motorola justifies the expense of sponsoring the events.
This apparent lack of interest in the racing also makes me wonder how
the market will be for WSC.

Don't get me wrong, I hope it's popular. I'm not into the GPL era, so
WSC is my greatest hope for a realistic road racing sim
I've been playing Viper and modified versions of SCGT for way too
long. =8^/

Tim

Alex Kihuran

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by Alex Kihuran » Thu, 24 May 2001 08:14:13

Don't forget LeMans Heat for NASCAR Heat!

http://lemans.teampepsi.com

I made it because I needed something to hold me over till WSC :)

Thanks,
Alex

ymenar

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by ymenar » Thu, 24 May 2001 08:39:23


> I've been reading the WSC stuff, and I'm wondering how the cars
> compare to the cars run in the Motorola Cup races on Speedvision.
> Looks like many of the same stock-bodied cars are used. Are they the
> same?

Hmmm, The Motorola cup cars (which is now called Grand-Am) are low-cost
racing cars fitted for racing.  It's the little brother of series like the
AMLS.  WSC is SPORTSCARS, like the Panoz, McLarent GT F1, Mercedes SLK,
etc..  There is a big difference, it's powered by manufaturers.

Like every type of motorsports in the world, lower series have less people
in the attendance.  You can't expect Winston Cup crowds at ASA racing.  Same
can be said if you compare Grand-Am to the highest form of sports car
racing.

Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justify it's
reason inside our simracing market.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Dave Henri

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by Dave Henri » Thu, 24 May 2001 14:30:41

  Isn't the Motorola cup even lower down the scale than Grand Am?  Or did
they roll it into one of the 5 GA classes?  I thought Motoroll cars were
almost stock.
Grand Am has those but also GT2 type cars(Viper & Vette & Porche) and mostly
2nd hand Prototypes but with a few new Lola's and a revised Riley & Scott
chassis or two.
dave henrie


> > I've been reading the WSC stuff, and I'm wondering how the cars
> > compare to the cars run in the Motorola Cup races on Speedvision.
> > Looks like many of the same stock-bodied cars are used. Are they the
> > same?

> Hmmm, The Motorola cup cars (which is now called Grand-Am) are low-cost
> racing cars fitted for racing.  It's the little brother of series like the
> AMLS.  WSC is SPORTSCARS, like the Panoz, McLarent GT F1, Mercedes SLK,
> etc..  There is a big difference, it's powered by manufaturers.

> Like every type of motorsports in the world, lower series have less people
> in the attendance.  You can't expect Winston Cup crowds at ASA racing.
Same
> can be said if you compare Grand-Am to the highest form of sports car
> racing.

> Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justify it's
> reason inside our simracing market.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Alai

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by Alai » Thu, 24 May 2001 15:21:45

Tim, I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding, but you seem to be implying that
WSC is targeted at "Motorola Cup" fans?  Actually, it probably is more
targeted to the "Le Mans" fans, of which there are many around the world,
especially in Europe (and I think the American Le Mans is popular as well,
but I'm not sure?).  Although Motorola Cup fans will certainly like it too
:-)

And, regarding the Motorola Cup, the stands may be empty, but don't forget
all of the filled couches at home, since it's a great TV sport.  I think the
Motorola Cup is probably more popular than it seems... I know a lot of
people who watch it on TV, including myself.  I find it funny how American's
call NASCAR "stock" car racing, when the cars are anything but (in the true
sense of the word).  The Motorola Cup features real "stock" cars, that is,
production cars that consumers can actually buy off the lot, just as they
are in the Motorola Cup (or pretty darn close, it is forbidden to make major
changes to the production cars in the Motorola Cup, but they will make minor
changes for racing safety, or to equalize a class).  And the fact that they
run on road circuits instead of ovals makes it even more pertinent to us
"normal car drivers".  As a "regular car" consumer, I find the Motorola Cup
very appealing because of this.

NASCAR, Indy and other types of oval races are great for live spectating,
but road circuit and rally races are much better suited for TV.  I mean, I
do go to road races and rallys for the atmosphere and the sounds, but it is
much more difficult to follow what's happening without a TV handy :-).  When
I went to a Formula 1 race, I was really happy to have a handheld TV,
because without it, I would have been clueless.  To be immersed in the
incredible thundering roar of those cars may be worth being clueless.

And, yes, I have high hopes for WSC... crossing my fingers...


Alai

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by Alai » Thu, 24 May 2001 15:23:46

Your right, Motorola Cup is not Grand Am.  It's pure production consumer
cars and nothing but.


Tim

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by Tim » Thu, 24 May 2001 20:25:32



Actually, there are Vipers, Vettes and Porshe's running in the
Motorola Cup races. The cars may be more stock than the WSC cars, but
it's not as lowball as Ymenard makes it sound.
That was what confused me.

Tim

Michael Barlo

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by Michael Barlo » Thu, 24 May 2001 20:52:11

    The last I heard, WSC will have the ability to "create" new cars,
shapes, et.. et..  If that's true then don't think WSC is *just* a Sim with
the cars and series you mention.  I'm assuming you/we can create a VW bug,
Morris Mini, AH Sprite, and such and run them in our own created series.  Or
even recreate the GPL cars and run a GPL style series.  The most fun I've
had in the field of autoracing is while crewing for Hp, Fp and Gp, Sprites
and Spitfires in Amateur SCCA events.  The Pro events were fun, but never as
fun as the amateur events. but then what do you expect from someone who
enjoys GPL's F3 cars <g>

>I've been reading the WSC stuff, and I'm wondering how the cars
>compare to the cars run in the Motorola Cup races on Speedvision.
>Looks like many of the same stock-bodied cars are used. Are they the
>same?

>I hate to be negative, but the stands at the Motorola Cup races are a
>virtual ghost town. I like the racing, but I actually wonder how
>Motorola justifies the expense of sponsoring the events.
>This apparent lack of interest in the racing also makes me wonder how
>the market will be for WSC.

>Don't get me wrong, I hope it's popular. I'm not into the GPL era, so
>WSC is my greatest hope for a realistic road racing sim
>I've been playing Viper and modified versions of SCGT for way too
>long. =8^/

>Tim

Scott B. Huste

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by Scott B. Huste » Thu, 24 May 2001 23:44:58

You French Tart ;)    "Low cost" is a relative term especially coming from
someone who is allergic to work!  =P

Some people seem to confuse the speedvision cup with the motorola cup too.

http://www.speedvisionwc.com/

http://www.motorolacup.com/index1.html

http://www.grand-am.com/grandamcup/

Grand American Road Racing
1801 W. International Speedway Blvd
Daytona Beach, FL 32114
(904) 947-6681 (phone)
(904) 947-6695 (fax)

GRAND-AMERICAN TO RUN STREET STOCK SERIES

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (January 26, 2001) - In a joint announcement today,
David Berman, President of Berman Motorsport Group, and Roger Edmondson,
President of Grand American Road Racing Association, revealed that Grand-Am
will take over operation of the North American Street Stock Championship
beginning immediately.

The endurance road racing series has operated as the Motorola Cup Series for
the past six years under the operation and direction of Berman Motorsport
Group. In announcing the transfer of operations to Grand-Am, Berman noted,
"Motorola has been a fantastic sponsor, allowing the series to grow far
beyond the size and stature it held when they first got involved. I came to
realize that the series was going to need a larger sporting organization
behind it if it was going to continue its growth. With the expiration of the
Motorola contract, it seemed like the perfect time for a seamless transition
to Grand-Am."

"Grand-Am has been sanctioning the series and taking over the operation of
this program is just part of its natural evolution," Edmondson commented. "
"The series has grown from a national Canadian program to a multinational
series and as a sanctioning body Grand-Am is better equipped to manage that
growth operationally. Being relieved of the operational aspects of the
series will free David and his company to concentrate their natural
strengths on the marketing side. It seems like a win / win deal for
everyone.

" The Motorola Cup will run its last race under that name when the season
kicks off at Daytona International Speedway as part of the Rolex 24 At
Daytona weekend February 1-4. The series will continue on for the remainder
of the season with a new name - the Grand-Am Cup. A tentative schedule of 10
races is planned.

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ#4395450



> > I've been reading the WSC stuff, and I'm wondering how the cars
> > compare to the cars run in the Motorola Cup races on Speedvision.
> > Looks like many of the same stock-bodied cars are used. Are they the
> > same?

> Hmmm, The Motorola cup cars (which is now called Grand-Am) are low-cost
> racing cars fitted for racing.  It's the little brother of series like the
> AMLS.  WSC is SPORTSCARS, like the Panoz, McLarent GT F1, Mercedes SLK,
> etc..  There is a big difference, it's powered by manufaturers.

> Like every type of motorsports in the world, lower series have less people
> in the attendance.  You can't expect Winston Cup crowds at ASA racing.
Same
> can be said if you compare Grand-Am to the highest form of sports car
> racing.

> Oh and Imho WSC won't be an incredible seller, just enough to justify it's
> reason inside our simracing market.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

ymenar

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by ymenar » Fri, 25 May 2001 01:03:25


> You French Tart ;)    "Low cost" is a relative term especially coming from
> someone who is allergic to work!  =P

Hehehe you posse SOB ;-)    I'm not allergic, it's just an innate feeling!

Motorola Cup is the Grand Am Cup series.  I was right, just forgot the
"cup". <G>

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Scott B. Huste

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 25 May 2001 01:53:03

ROFL

Yes.. you were right about that and thats why I posted that little snip from
their website.  I was just pointing out that I have seen some people
confused between the SpeedVision Cup and Motorola Cup, which were both shown
on SpeedVision last year.

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ#4395450



> > You French Tart ;)    "Low cost" is a relative term especially coming
from
> > someone who is allergic to work!  =P

> Hehehe you posse SOB ;-)    I'm not allergic, it's just an innate feeling!

> Motorola Cup is the Grand Am Cup series.  I was right, just forgot the
> "cup". <G>

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

ymenar

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by ymenar » Fri, 25 May 2001 10:34:22


> Yes.. you were right about that and thats why I posted that little snip
from
> their website.  I was just pointing out that I have seen some people
> confused between the SpeedVision Cup and Motorola Cup, which were both
shown
> on SpeedVision last year.

I just wanted to pick up a fight with you Posse ;-)   I'll be missing the
confrontation with Ge***...

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Scott B. Huste

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 25 May 2001 11:10:52

Ge***?   What, did he promise to put you on killfile list too?  ;)

ROFL

--
Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450



> > Yes.. you were right about that and thats why I posted that little snip
> from
> > their website.  I was just pointing out that I have seen some people
> > confused between the SpeedVision Cup and Motorola Cup, which were both
> shown
> > on SpeedVision last year.

> I just wanted to pick up a fight with you Posse ;-)   I'll be missing the
> confrontation with Ge***...

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

ymenar

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by ymenar » Fri, 25 May 2001 23:28:33


> Ge***?   What, did he promise to put you on killfile list too?  ;)

You didn't know?  It's the big news there, he has left the NG.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Mike Whit

World Sports Car vs. Motorola Cup: Differences?

by Mike Whit » Sat, 26 May 2001 01:02:54



> > Ge***?   What, did he promise to put you on killfile list too?  ;)

> You didn't know?  It's the big news there, he has left the NG.

George posts a message, and you take it as fact?   You haven't learned much
have you?

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