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NC2 Demo issues...

John Wehma

NC2 Demo issues...

by John Wehma » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00

I know, it's only a demo, but I wanted Papy to be aware of some common
things that are happening to folks:

1. It appears that ONLY Intel Pentium processors will work correctly (if
anyone has gotten a P166+ to work, please let me know...I was _just_ about
to buy a P166+ system, but now, I'm switching that over to Intel...)
2. Hercules STB128 Video cards don't seem to work properly
3. On my machine (P100, Trio64, 24MB, SB16), I got no engine sounds at all
(for that matter, no sounds other than the spotter...) I auto detected the
card, and it correctly found it at the proper ports.  I'm using Dos 7.0,
booted to Dos Prompt from Win95.
4. Again on my machine (and this is the only instance I have heard of this,
anyone else?) the brightness/contrast is _way_ dark.  I can barely see the
RPM gauge.

Otherwise, it looks beautiful...though, I hope the physics are gonna change
somewhat (although Adam was just see posting here that the physics engine
is the way it is, and not to expect more until later games).  The Bud at
the Glen is an absolute bang-up job...I love the new textures on the walls.

Keep it up Papy!

John Wehman

Larry Abel

NC2 Demo issues...

by Larry Abel » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00


> I know, it's only a demo, but I wanted Papy to be aware of some common
> things that are happening to folks:

> 1. It appears that ONLY Intel Pentium processors will work correctly (if
> anyone has gotten a P166+ to work, please let me know...I was _just_ about
> to buy a P166+ system, but now, I'm switching that over to Intel...)
> 2. Hercules STB128 Video cards don't seem to work properly
> 3. On my machine (P100, Trio64, 24MB, SB16), I got no engine sounds at all
> (for that matter, no sounds other than the spotter...) I auto detected the
> card, and it correctly found it at the proper ports.  I'm using Dos 7.0,
> booted to Dos Prompt from Win95.

I followed the README.TXT file, and copied MY NASCAR1 CONTROLS.CFG and SOUND.CFG to the NASCAR2 root directory.
Everything worked perfectly! Just like NASCAR1... BTW -Adam had said, in an earlier post, that pedals don't
work with the demo? I think he may have meant a SEPERATE pedal system, like CH Pedals (or whatever they're
called...). My T2 pedals work fine.

The contrast is very dark and the tach, I believe, was not ready (working) for the demo.

There seems to be an improvement in frame rate, (on my machine, anyway) but I need to give it more "burn-in"
time.
For those who are experiencing more serious problems (ie- palette/colors), you may want to check your graphics
card video settings. There is definitely something different with the NAS2 palettes, but I haven't gotten that
"into" it yet.

After three attempts at downloading the demo and finally getting it, I simply used PKWARE to:

CHECK THE INTEGRITY of the ZIP files! This is important! I have (so I had thought) successfully downloaded ZIP
files in the past only to find that 'something' went wrong in the process; some files got corrupted. Subsequent
download(s) fixed the problem(s). From my experience, this is more apt to happen with larger downloads.
Anything in memory, like a screen saver, can disrupt the download process. Especially if memory is already low.

I unzipped all the files to a new NASCAR2 directory, and it basically installed itself! I just added the CFG
files, and the demo worked fine. It even ran (I didn't try to 'RACE', though) from a DOS session in WIN3.11!

I can't say enough good things about PKWARE. This is a fine product!

I especially love the PCX files. I have 'Our Gang's' Bucwheat driving my #96 WC car... Mr. Wheat, The Buc
Man, etc...

Larry Abels
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George Lew

NC2 Demo issues...

by George Lew » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00


I remember Adam saying the requirements were PENTIUM.  Folks, that
means Pentium.  My guess is that it was compiled with code to take
advantage of Pentium specific commands.  That ain't a bad thing,
though!

did you pkunzip -d option??  the sound needs to be in the proper
sub-directory.  if you just pkunzip -d agnnas2, you're all set!

the physics are better than the original, more like the multi, which
is important!!

yeah, wasn't it though??  I hope Talladega's tri-oval is fixed in the
release!  ummm, will N.Wilkesboro be in the final release, anyone
know?  or Texas or California?

Rich Edga

NC2 Demo issues...

by Rich Edga » Thu, 26 Sep 1996 04:00:00


> I remember Adam saying the requirements were PENTIUM.  Folks, that
> means Pentium.  My guess is that it was compiled with code to take
> advantage of Pentium specific commands.  That ain't a bad thing,
> though!

The hell it isnt. Its a bad, unwise, and completely unnecessary thing to
do.

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David Marti

NC2 Demo issues...

by David Marti » Thu, 26 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Noone has mentioned this yet, has anyone noticed that the calendar file
includes both Daytona and Indy.  If Papyrus included these two tracks in
the calendar file doesn't it makes sense that they are planning to
release those tracks with NCR2 in November?

David Martin

David Marti

NC2 Demo issues...

by David Marti » Thu, 26 Sep 1996 04:00:00



> > I remember Adam saying the requirements were PENTIUM.  Folks, that
> > means Pentium.  My guess is that it was compiled with code to take
> > advantage of Pentium specific commands.  That ain't a bad thing,
> > though!

> The hell it isnt. Its a bad, unwise, and completely unnecessary thing to
> do.

> --

I agree that a demo should reach the same group of potential users as
the full release will, otherwise, it doesn't make much sense.  The NCR2
demo should have been released in two forms; one for Pentiums, one for
486s.  I haven't gotten to see the demo yet and I have a Pentium with
16MB of memory.  My problem is I don't have dialup internet access.  So
I'm trying to find a communications utility that will allow me to
download the files from a fileserver.  I've acquired TransSend Lite.  I
hope it works.  If they had made sound.dat compressible to less than
1.44MB, I would already have the demo, but they didn't.

Also, the PCX files that are included were totally unnecessary.
Ommitting them, or including PCX file spacers would have made the demo
much smaller.

David Martin

Bruce Englis

NC2 Demo issues...

by Bruce Englis » Thu, 26 Sep 1996 04:00:00


> Noone has mentioned this yet, has anyone noticed that the calendar file
> includes both Daytona and Indy.  If Papyrus included these two tracks in
> the calendar file doesn't it makes sense that they are planning to
> release those tracks with NCR2 in November?

> David Martin

If you open up the original calendar in Nascar 1, you'll notice Indy and
Daytona are there also, yet they never showed up for original game
(other than Indy thanks to the converters)

Bruce

Rich Edga

NC2 Demo issues...

by Rich Edga » Thu, 26 Sep 1996 04:00:00

  My guess is that it was compiled with code to take

Ok, now that I've had time to relax.... :-)

I would like to apologize for my above comment, I still feel the same
why, but I could have found a more mature way of expressing myself.

In reality, if they have developed the sim with the pentium code, it's
likely way too late now to take it all out. I just wonder how sound a
business practice it may turn out to be.....

Know it al

NC2 Demo issues...

by Know it al » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00



> > I remember Adam saying the requirements were PENTIUM.  Folks, that
> > means Pentium.  My guess is that it was compiled with code to take
> > advantage of Pentium specific commands.  That ain't a bad thing,
> > though!

> The hell it isnt. Its a bad, unwise, and completely unnecessary thing to
> do.
> Thats your opinion, but  those that have worked our ass off and

sacrificed certain things to afford a pentium are the diehard racing
sim fanatics and should deserve the best in our products. If your a
486er guess what?...time to UPGRADE!!!!!!!!    signed : Knowitall
Douglas J. Bro

NC2 Demo issues...

by Douglas J. Bro » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00


>I remember Adam saying the requirements were PENTIUM.  Folks, that
>means Pentium.  My guess is that it was compiled with code to take
>advantage of Pentium specific commands.  That ain't a bad thing,
>though!

George, I respectfully disagree... I think that if the final release
is Pentium-specific, it'll be a bad thing for Papyrus. Reason? There
are a lot of Pentium-level clones out there now, and they'll lose that
market.

I have a P120, and am generally pleased with the demo, BTW.

Michael Peters

NC2 Demo issues...

by Michael Peters » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00


I brought this up earlier and somone said the calendar in Nascar1 was the
sam way. I can't verify this becasue my calendar is way modified now.
Maybe someone else who hasn't messed with their cal file could tell
us....

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Kyle Langst

NC2 Demo issues...

by Kyle Langst » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00



>> Noone has mentioned this yet, has anyone noticed that the calendar file
>> includes both Daytona and Indy.  If Papyrus included these two tracks
>in
>> the calendar file doesn't it makes sense that they are planning to
>> release those tracks with NCR2 in November?

>> David Martin
>I brought this up earlier and somone said the calendar in Nascar1 was the
>sam way. I can't verify this becasue my calendar is way modified now.
>Maybe someone else who hasn't messed with their cal file could tell
>us....
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>Nascar..Weather..OnNetCameras..Oddities..and more..
>Stop on by, what can it hurt?

The original calendar file in NASCAR 1 does in fact include
Indianapolis and Daytona.

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George Lew

NC2 Demo issues...

by George Lew » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00



>>I remember Adam saying the requirements were PENTIUM.  Folks, that
>>means Pentium.  My guess is that it was compiled with code to take
>>advantage of Pentium specific commands.  That ain't a bad thing,
>>though!

>George, I respectfully disagree... I think that if the final release
>is Pentium-specific, it'll be a bad thing for Papyrus. Reason? There
>are a lot of Pentium-level clones out there now, and they'll lose that
>market.

>I have a P120, and am generally pleased with the demo, BTW.

I'm just talking demo... I believe they said it would run on a 486 in
the final release...  though, why anyone would want to run in SVGA in
486 mode is beyond me... with a P120, I think SVGA is barely
playable...

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George Lew

NC2 Demo issues...

by George Lew » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00



>> I remember Adam saying the requirements were PENTIUM.  Folks, that
>> means Pentium.  My guess is that it was compiled with code to take
>> advantage of Pentium specific commands.  That ain't a bad thing,
>> though!

>The hell it isnt. Its a bad, unwise, and completely unnecessary thing to
>do.

IMHO (just an opinion, mind you), I wouldn't really want to run SVGA
with a 486 anyway.... that's why I said it's a bad thing though..

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NASCAR Racing!!


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George Lew

NC2 Demo issues...

by George Lew » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00


>> > The hell it isnt. Its a bad, unwise, and completely unnecessary thing to do

>Ok, now that I've had time to relax.... :-)

>I would like to apologize for my above comment, I still feel the same
>why, but I could have found a more mature way of expressing myself.

>In reality, if they have developed the sim with the pentium code, it's
>likely way too late now to take it all out. I just wonder how sound a
>business practice it may turn out to be.....

That's ok Rich, I wasn't offended in any way ;)  besides, that was
just a guess that they may have compiled it that way for whatever
reasons they had.  Or, they could have made calls to registers and/or
commands in the pentium chipset that aren't available in the 486
chipset, and they haven't taken the time yet to re-code it for the 486
yet??? just speculation, mind you...

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NASCAR Racing!!


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