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by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Fri, 04 May 2001 06:03:45

I need help to adjust my driving...

In F1-2000 I'm able to drive literally pushing the frontwheels forward
during the turns.
In GPL I can do just about the same, exept that it's a little softer and I
might have to countersteer if I get on the gas too early.

In F1 RC, I just try to be easy on the pedals, and find the
'screetch'-speed. However, if I try to maintain a frontwheel-slide the car
suddenly spins. I reccon it's very easy to spin the rearwheels, and I don't
think the sounds is that helpful either.
Isn't the car very sensitive to curbs?

What reactions in the car should I pay more attention to?
How do you drive a turn?

Thanks!

/Carl

by **Txl** » Fri, 04 May 2001 08:14:57

The car is VERY, VERY sensitive to curbs, as is real life, is it FORBIDDEN
to touch a curve while you are on "the midle" of the corner,e specially on
the inside.

Try to use the ABS and anti skid to get the trajectories right, then reduce
gradually the % of ABS and AS and you should be going.

by **Phaso** » Fri, 04 May 2001 14:25:48

Get split axis working, if you can. Still working on the correct tecnique
on when exactly to use it, but most of the times I do, I kick the AI's ***
on corners. Braking while using the gas usually stops the spin instantly.
Hey what steering sensitivity do you use? I find linear too sensitive and
logarithmic not sensitive enough...

-Phasor

by **Wosc** » Fri, 04 May 2001 17:16:43

Hmm I never noticed in real life how the cars are so sensitive to the
curbs...You would think the real world drivers would religiously stay away
from curbs given their sensitivity you mention</sarcasm>...

http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/italy/pic20.shtml
http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/italy/pic04.shtml
http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/hungary/pic21.shtml
http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/monaco/pic19.shtml
http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/france/pic06.shtml
http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/japan/pic05.shtml
http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/austria/pic21.shtml

Interesting...they seem to use the curbs...not avoid them. I've even seen
them in qualy running into the grass at the apex...sure it may damage the
car a bit...but it didn't seem to upset the car too much.

JB

> The car is VERY, VERY sensitive to curbs, as is real life, is it FORBIDDEN
> to touch a curve while you are on "the midle" of the corner,e specially on
> the inside.

> Try to use the ABS and anti skid to get the trajectories right, then
reduce
> gradually the % of ABS and AS and you should be going.

> > I need help to adjust my driving...

> > In F1-2000 I'm able to drive literally pushing the frontwheels forward
> > during the turns.
> > In GPL I can do just about the same, exept that it's a little softer and
I
> > might have to countersteer if I get on the gas too early.

> > In F1 RC, I just try to be easy on the pedals, and find the
> > 'screetch'-speed. However, if I try to maintain a frontwheel-slide the
car
> > suddenly spins. I reccon it's very easy to spin the rearwheels, and I
> don't
> > think the sounds is that helpful either.
> > Isn't the car very sensitive to curbs?

> > What reactions in the car should I pay more attention to?
> > How do you drive a turn?

> > Thanks!

> > /Carl

by **Luis** » Fri, 04 May 2001 17:43:17

I've found a few things that seem to make a pretty big difference...

#1, set your steering lock at 27, it seems to give you more feel for the car

#2, I drive with the fourth "F2" view, it's like from the on board camera
above the airbox, the view where you can just see the top of the driver's
helmet....i find this view has a better "axis" feel, i.e., when the front of
the car turns, it feels more realistic (to me anyway)..takes a bit of
getting used to

#3, If you wanna go kerb hopping, try reducing your bump stops to 0, and
maybe softening your springs a bit...but watch it, as you can only get away
with so much, specially on full throttle...I find that if I hit the kerbs on
3/4 throttle the chances of spinning out seem less..

hope this helps!

Luis

by **Txl** » Fri, 04 May 2001 17:44:15

Well if you enter the corner on the curbs or cut them like in the chicanes
in Monza of course, but the situation I was decribing here is when your
braking is over or nearly over, so the car has a tendency to lift (when you
brake it goes down, little sarcasm) and if you touch the curb at this moment
you are in deep trouble, if you are in the braking in phase, provided the
curbs are not 30 cm high you can probaly use them a little, but since you
are braking on the outside of the corner (or at least you should try this,
little sarcasm) you are not referring to what I was saying, namely stay AWAY
from the INSIDE curb when you are on the middle of a corner, just try this,
get to Tosa, brake hard, release the brakes, let the car sort of "coast"
through the corner, and bring it on the inside curb, guaranteed result.

> Hmm I never noticed in real life how the cars are so sensitive to the
> curbs...You would think the real world drivers would religiously stay away
> from curbs given their sensitivity you mention</sarcasm>...

> http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/italy/pic20.shtml
> http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/italy/pic04.shtml
> http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/hungary/pic21.shtml
> http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/monaco/pic19.shtml
> http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/france/pic06.shtml
> http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/japan/pic05.shtml
> http://www.dailyf1.com/en/photos/2000/austria/pic21.shtml

> Interesting...they seem to use the curbs...not avoid them. I've even seen
> them in qualy running into the grass at the apex...sure it may damage the
> car a bit...but it didn't seem to upset the car too much.

> JB

> > The car is VERY, VERY sensitive to curbs, as is real life, is it
FORBIDDEN
> > to touch a curve while you are on "the midle" of the corner,e specially
on
> > the inside.

> > Try to use the ABS and anti skid to get the trajectories right, then
> reduce
> > gradually the % of ABS and AS and you should be going.

> > > I need help to adjust my driving...

> > > In F1-2000 I'm able to drive literally pushing the frontwheels forward
> > > during the turns.
> > > In GPL I can do just about the same, exept that it's a little softer
and
> I
> > > might have to countersteer if I get on the gas too early.

> > > In F1 RC, I just try to be easy on the pedals, and find the
> > > 'screetch'-speed. However, if I try to maintain a frontwheel-slide the
> car
> > > suddenly spins. I reccon it's very easy to spin the rearwheels, and I
> > don't
> > > think the sounds is that helpful either.
> > > Isn't the car very sensitive to curbs?

> > > What reactions in the car should I pay more attention to?
> > > How do you drive a turn?

> > > Thanks!

> > > /Carl

by **Txl** » Fri, 04 May 2001 17:45:11

Yes braking while using the throtlle works GREAT in all sims, especially
GPL, in real life also, if you have rear wheel drive and enough power.

> Get split axis working, if you can. Still working on the correct tecnique
> on when exactly to use it, but most of the times I do, I kick the AI's
***
> on corners. Braking while using the gas usually stops the spin instantly.
> Hey what steering sensitivity do you use? I find linear too sensitive and
> logarithmic not sensitive enough...

> -Phasor

> > I need help to adjust my driving...

> > In F1-2000 I'm able to drive literally pushing the frontwheels forward
> > during the turns.
> > In GPL I can do just about the same, exept that it's a little softer and
I
> > might have to countersteer if I get on the gas too early.

> > In F1 RC, I just try to be easy on the pedals, and find the
> > 'screetch'-speed. However, if I try to maintain a frontwheel-slide the
car
> > suddenly spins. I reccon it's very easy to spin the rearwheels, and I
> don't
> > think the sounds is that helpful either.
> > Isn't the car very sensitive to curbs?

> > What reactions in the car should I pay more attention to?
> > How do you drive a turn?

> > Thanks!

> > /Carl

by **Alexpe** » Sat, 05 May 2001 04:27:14

In real life it is NOT used if you change down gears, and it KILLS clutches.

pez

> Yes braking while using the throtlle works GREAT in all sims, especially
> GPL, in real life also, if you have rear wheel drive and enough power.

> > Get split axis working, if you can. Still working on the correct
tecnique
> > on when exactly to use it, but most of the times I do, I kick the AI's
> ***
> > on corners. Braking while using the gas usually stops the spin
instantly.
> > Hey what steering sensitivity do you use? I find linear too sensitive
and
> > logarithmic not sensitive enough...

> > -Phasor

> > > I need help to adjust my driving...

> > > In F1-2000 I'm able to drive literally pushing the frontwheels forward
> > > during the turns.
> > > In GPL I can do just about the same, exept that it's a little softer
and
> I
> > > might have to countersteer if I get on the gas too early.

> > > In F1 RC, I just try to be easy on the pedals, and find the
> > > 'screetch'-speed. However, if I try to maintain a frontwheel-slide the
> car
> > > suddenly spins. I reccon it's very easy to spin the rearwheels, and I
> > don't
> > > think the sounds is that helpful either.
> > > Isn't the car very sensitive to curbs?

> > > What reactions in the car should I pay more attention to?
> > > How do you drive a turn?

> > > Thanks!

> > > /Carl

by **Maxx** » Sat, 05 May 2001 04:47:33

OK, I'll bite, I've resisted long enough ...

Attendance at a Racing School does not make one an expert on the
techniques used in real-life racing. I don't consider myself an expert
either but after dozens of real life races in various chassis and
formulas, the best part of 3 years working as an instructor and
having spent 100s of hours with some of the worlds top drivers
discussing technique I can state categorically that IT IS USED in
real racing.

As to why, when and where it is used and it's level of modelling
in sims I covered this here some time ago. If anyones interested
I will dig it out and repost.

Maxx

by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Sat, 05 May 2001 06:32:02

Very interested, please post!

How about dealing with spins? In most sim's, flooring the brake and
countersteering works great. Is it appliciable on real racecars? I've never
gotten myself trying it with a real-life car ;-)

/Carl

> >In real life it is NOT used if you change down gears, and it KILLS
clutches.

> OK, I'll bite, I've resisted long enough ...

> Attendance at a Racing School does not make one an expert on the
> techniques used in real-life racing. I don't consider myself an expert
> either but after dozens of real life races in various chassis and
> formulas, the best part of 3 years working as an instructor and
> having spent 100s of hours with some of the worlds top drivers
> discussing technique I can state categorically that IT IS USED in
> real racing.

> As to why, when and where it is used and it's level of modelling
> in sims I covered this here some time ago. If anyones interested
> I will dig it out and repost.

> Maxx

by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Sat, 05 May 2001 06:38:28

I use linear on all axis.
0 nullzone, and I try to lower the steering lock to about 20 deg when
possible.
You race against the blind AI? I've tried some times, but I always revert to
hotlapping against Jure Zagornik's ghostlaps ;-)

Do you keep a little throttle in all the braking, or just at the end of the
decceleration?

/Carl

> Get split axis working, if you can. Still working on the correct tecnique
> on when exactly to use it, but most of the times I do, I kick the AI's
***
> on corners. Braking while using the gas usually stops the spin instantly.
> Hey what steering sensitivity do you use? I find linear too sensitive and
> logarithmic not sensitive enough...

> -Phasor

> > I need help to adjust my driving...

> > In F1-2000 I'm able to drive literally pushing the frontwheels forward
> > during the turns.
> > In GPL I can do just about the same, exept that it's a little softer and
I
> > might have to countersteer if I get on the gas too early.

> > In F1 RC, I just try to be easy on the pedals, and find the
> > 'screetch'-speed. However, if I try to maintain a frontwheel-slide the
car
> > suddenly spins. I reccon it's very easy to spin the rearwheels, and I
> don't
> > think the sounds is that helpful either.
> > Isn't the car very sensitive to curbs?

> > What reactions in the car should I pay more attention to?
> > How do you drive a turn?

> > Thanks!

> > /Carl

by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Sat, 05 May 2001 06:41:59

I totally agree on that the kerbs are easier on 3/4 throttle, I'll try
reducing the bumpstops a little.

Thanks!
/Carl

by **Ian** » Sat, 05 May 2001 06:43:47

I remember seeing Jaques Villeneuve hitting the brakes to bring the front
back into line at a race last year, can't remember which race without going
through all my old tapes.
I do remember that in Silverstone 98 Eddie Irvine said he braked while still
on the power through some corners to settle the car.

--
Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>

> Very interested, please post!

> How about dealing with spins? In most sim's, flooring the brake and
> countersteering works great. Is it appliciable on real racecars? I've
never
> gotten myself trying it with a real-life car ;-)

> /Carl

> > >In real life it is NOT used if you change down gears, and it KILLS
> clutches.

> > OK, I'll bite, I've resisted long enough ...

> > Attendance at a Racing School does not make one an expert on the
> > techniques used in real-life racing. I don't consider myself an expert
> > either but after dozens of real life races in various chassis and
> > formulas, the best part of 3 years working as an instructor and
> > having spent 100s of hours with some of the worlds top drivers
> > discussing technique I can state categorically that IT IS USED in
> > real racing.

> > As to why, when and where it is used and it's level of modelling
> > in sims I covered this here some time ago. If anyones interested
> > I will dig it out and repost.

> > Maxx

by **Txl** » Sat, 05 May 2001 07:29:18

I wish I could post some of my telemetry displays on corners with throttle
and brake pressure Front and rear...I mean the REAL telemetry, not from a
game but from my truck....Trust me on this guys, you CAN brake and almost
floor the throttle to avoid losing the rear.

> >In real life it is NOT used if you change down gears, and it KILLS
clutches.

> OK, I'll bite, I've resisted long enough ...

> Attendance at a Racing School does not make one an expert on the
> techniques used in real-life racing. I don't consider myself an expert
> either but after dozens of real life races in various chassis and
> formulas, the best part of 3 years working as an instructor and
> having spent 100s of hours with some of the worlds top drivers
> discussing technique I can state categorically that IT IS USED in
> real racing.

> As to why, when and where it is used and it's level of modelling
> in sims I covered this here some time ago. If anyones interested
> I will dig it out and repost.

> Maxx

by **Phaso** » Sat, 05 May 2001 09:54:47

D'oh! Forgot about the steering lock - I guess you can do that in car setup,
which I haven't messed with yet - still working on my line. Thanks for the
tip I'll give it a try.

Yes the AI is blind, but it is just TOO much fun starting in dead last
position with a full field, and swerving around 80% of the cars at the start
at Spa. (Along with everything else, why does the AI suck so bad at
starts?) At 'Pro' setting I am just a hair faster than the AI cars, which
is what you want so they don't nail you - I pass one or two cars per lap.
Haven't managed to pass the Ferraris at the front tho. :(

On straightaways into tight corners, I go from full throttle/no brake to
full brake/no throttle at my brake point, then ease off the brake just
before they lock, then steadily apply gas throughout the corner, using the
brake to keep spins in check. I have no idea if this is correct but it's
basically what I did with GPL as well. Almost all my testing is at Spa as
well, so it may not work at other tracks - I don't know (just got the game
on Friday).

-Phasor

> I use linear on all axis.
> 0 nullzone, and I try to lower the steering lock to about 20 deg when
> possible.
> You race against the blind AI? I've tried some times, but I always revert
to
> hotlapping against Jure Zagornik's ghostlaps ;-)

> Do you keep a little throttle in all the braking, or just at the end of
the
> decceleration?

> /Carl

> > Get split axis working, if you can. Still working on the correct
tecnique
> > on when exactly to use it, but most of the times I do, I kick the AI's
> ***
> > on corners. Braking while using the gas usually stops the spin
instantly.
> > Hey what steering sensitivity do you use? I find linear too sensitive
and
> > logarithmic not sensitive enough...

> > -Phasor

> > > I need help to adjust my driving...

> > > In F1-2000 I'm able to drive literally pushing the frontwheels forward
> > > during the turns.
> > > In GPL I can do just about the same, exept that it's a little softer
and
> I
> > > might have to countersteer if I get on the gas too early.

> > > In F1 RC, I just try to be easy on the pedals, and find the
> > > 'screetch'-speed. However, if I try to maintain a frontwheel-slide the
> car
> > > suddenly spins. I reccon it's very easy to spin the rearwheels, and I
> > don't
> > > think the sounds is that helpful either.
> > > Isn't the car very sensitive to curbs?

> > > What reactions in the car should I pay more attention to?
> > > How do you drive a turn?

> > > Thanks!

> > > /Carl

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