pez
> >I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good at
all.
> I have to agree. I can only assume this is more of a "technology test"
> to work out compatibility bugs, and that the physics engine is not
> fully tuned. I mean, the GPL 1967 F1 cars are more stable than the car
> in N4. That doesn't seem right.
> Joe McGinn
> _____________________
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-Larry
> > OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice." But
so
> > what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The physics
> are
> > close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most
likely
> > have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than
> Nascar
> > Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time. So yea,
> > Nascar 4 is good and all, but it's really not much different than Nascar
> > Heat. At least I think so...... flame away.
-Larry
> Kurt
> > says...
> > > I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good
at
> all.
> > > I prefer the Heat engine. Why is everyone so worried about getting up
in
> the
> > > air? That seems stupid to me. How can everyone keep saying improved
AI.
> > > There is only one car in my demo, did I get the wrong one or are you
> making
> > > this shit up? Maybe you are reading Papy's web site...
> > > > OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice."
> But so
> > > > what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The
> physics
> > > are
> > > > close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most
> likely
> > > > have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than
> > > Nascar
> > > > Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time. So
yea,
> > > > Nascar 4 is good and all, but it's really not much different than
> Nascar
> > > > Heat. At least I think so...... flame away.
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> > Don't know about the first but I sure agree about the AI thing, LOL..
> > --
> > Greetings
> > Johan N
-Larry
> > The banking part is only true if the car is understeering, which a
> > street car usually is. A perfectly neutral car should demand zero
> > steering input on the straight banking, and an oversteering one actually
> > a steering input somewhat down the banking.
> > I do believe that in N4 this is mostly due to first stagger and then
> > camber effects.
> I have yet to try and eliminate the left pull because I want the left pull
> so I'm not sure which changes will create the most difference in N4. You
are
> right regarding an absolutely neutral car when it is up to speed. Even a
> neutral car not up to speed will pull on a banked track. I do believe I
> mentioned weight displacement as well. My point is... there are a lot of
> factors that should make the car pull to the left and the cars do pull to
> the left and pull *** ovals. Stagger has probably the most influence,
> proceeded by weight displacement, castor settings, camber settings and
> banking (probably in that order).
> I doubt the default setup for the road courses will have much pull at all.
> --
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> Dave Boothe
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> -Larry
> > > OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice."
But
> so
> > > what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The
physics
> > are
> > > close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most
> likely
> > > have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than
> > Nascar
> > > Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time. So yea,
> > > Nascar 4 is good and all, but it's really not much different than
Nascar
> > > Heat. At least I think so...... flame away.
We all want realism. But it's a simple fact of life that not _everything_
real transfers into a Sim well.
There are things that cannot be controlled. Different controllers,
different systems, etc...
For some, especially those without FF wheels, the left-pull is going to be a
considerable problem due to the return-to-center springs/bungies.
IMHO, and this is NOT an invite for a flame war, I personally do not believe
the pull-to-the-left 'realism' transfers well to a SIM. It is annoying and
it is going to wreak havoc in online-***.
At the very least, Papyrus should put in a Trim tab, like the folks at MGI
did for Heat when people expressed their opinions and concerns.
From what I've read in a recent interview, though, they aren't giving this
much thought. Too bad :(
-Larry
> > > The banking part is only true if the car is understeering, which a
> {snips...}
> > > I do believe that in N4 this is mostly due to first stagger and then
> > > camber effects.
> > I have yet to try and eliminate the left pull because I want the left
pull
> {more snips}
> I find it interesting that we have been like a chorus here, all singing
> one voice
> about the need for realism in our sims. Yet when one basic tenant of that
> song
> is revealed...we have suddenly a bunch off key complaints.
> Yes for those who grew up on Papy sims based on the ICR2/N2/3 engine,
the
> dramatic nature of the car's movement down the track even on a straight is
> befuddling. But that is a basic part of realism. Find any tape from the
> Indy 500. A track which has straights with a small amount of banking.
When
> a car is unchallenged and has full use of the track, watch how the driver
> lets the car drift down towards the inside of the track after exiting a
> turn. This is caused by the factors mentioned above about stagger and
> camber etc. Now take that
> drift from a relatively flat track and apply it to the more severe Dover
> banking.(Just imagine how tough Bristol will be!)
> We need to accept when 'reality' intrudes into our sim world, and we
need
> to
> embrace ANY concept that improves our sim-racing.(so get back in the
***pit
> all you tailgunners!)
> dave henrie
I'm so damn tired of hearing idiots say put this in or put that in because
it's in Heat. You want to race Heat then race Heat. Let Papy put out a sim
that's NOT Heat. I can't understand people who want every game to be just
like someone elses' game. I've raced Heat and couldn't stand it. I'll take
N4 over Heat any day. But you will never hear me say make Heat more like N4.
Dave Casey
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N4.
Thats nonsense , what Papy wanted Nascar Racing 4
to be an Arcade game like Heat? Thats BOLD.
Back your statement with fact..
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hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
> I don't recall somebody from Papyrus saying such thing. Anyway we all
know
> that N4 is far beyond what Papyrus is aiming for compared to NHeat.
