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by **drinklim** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:30:41

OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice." But so
what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The physics are
close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most likely
have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than Nascar
Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time. So yea,
Nascar 4 is good and all, but it's really not much different than Nascar
Heat. At least I think so...... flame away.

by **Mike Grand** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:44:24

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Member of Nass 2000 Pro Online Series

Competitor in LikeReal LAN Tournaments Pro Division

OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice." But so
what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The physics are
close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most likely
have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than Nascar
Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time. So yea,
Nascar 4 is good and all, but it's really not much different than Nascar
Heat. At least I think so...... flame away.

by **Chag Roger** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:00:00

I agree Mike, that was the Heat killer. I believe the physics model is better in N4. I could live with the one in Heat, but N4 feels better to me. Where Heat is still kicking the ***out of N4 is the multi code, we can't rub or drive as close with N4 as we did with Heat. That being said Heat isn't even on my hard drive any longer because I couldn't find anyone to run with anymore. Let's hope for and upgrade in the multi code and the collision detection and we have a true champ.

Chad
chadliz

by **Reggi** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:00:00

by **THop** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:00:00

I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good at all.
I prefer the Heat engine. Why is everyone so worried about getting up in the
air? That seems stupid to me. How can everyone keep saying improved AI.
There is only one car in my demo, did I get the wrong one or are you making
this shit up? Maybe you are reading Papy's web site...

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by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:00:00

What he said was N4 would "MOST LIKELY" have better AI. Better than
Heats ai that ram you from all rearward angles during yellow flags and
pitstops.
and better than N3's the famous Papyrus wiggle that would stack up cars
behind a wreck is gone.(another tip of the hat to N4's daddy, gpl)
That we know from postings here and elsewhere. But is it better in a
racing
enviroment? That we don't know yet...
dave henrie

> I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good at
all.
> I prefer the Heat engine. Why is everyone so worried about getting up in
the
> air? That seems stupid to me. How can everyone keep saying improved AI.
> There is only one car in my demo, did I get the wrong one or are you
making
> this shit up? Maybe you are reading Papy's web site...

> > OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice." But
so
> > what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The physics
> are
> > close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most
likely
> > have better AI

by **Johan** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:00:00

says...

> I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good at all.
> I prefer the Heat engine. Why is everyone so worried about getting up in the
> air? That seems stupid to me. How can everyone keep saying improved AI.
> There is only one car in my demo, did I get the wrong one or are you making
> this shit up? Maybe you are reading Papy's web site...

> > OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice." But so
> > what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The physics
> are
> > close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most likely
> > have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than
> Nascar
> > Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time. So yea,
> > Nascar 4 is good and all, but it's really not much different than Nascar
> > Heat. At least I think so...... flame away.

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Don't know about the first but I sure agree about the AI thing, LOL..

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by **Kurt** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:00:00

I'm not sure about N4 physics. I like Heat better. Maybe the fault is
because I have just spent the last couple of months running GPL. I expected
better throttle response from N4. I have been running N4 at Michigan. What
I have been trying to achieve is a setup that would go loose from the middle
of turn 1&2 out. What I expected was a enough oomph to throw the rear end
out exiting the turn. It almost feels like Papy dumbed down the physics for
N4. Maybe I'm expecting too much.
Mike Grandy was kind enough to help me out. I can now turn 183 lap speeds.
But, I can't get the car loose from the middle out.

Kurt

> says...
> > I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good at
all.
> > I prefer the Heat engine. Why is everyone so worried about getting up in
the
> > air? That seems stupid to me. How can everyone keep saying improved AI.
> > There is only one car in my demo, did I get the wrong one or are you
making
> > this shit up? Maybe you are reading Papy's web site...

> > > OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice."
But so
> > > what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The
physics
> > are
> > > close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most
likely
> > > have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than
> > Nascar
> > > Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time. So yea,
> > > Nascar 4 is good and all, but it's really not much different than
Nascar
> > > Heat. At least I think so...... flame away.

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> Don't know about the first but I sure agree about the AI thing, LOL..

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> Greetings

> Johan N

by **David Booth** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:00:00

Two words for you Mike.... A Greed

LOL

Dave

2 words........caution, multiplayer......not seperate but all at once.

Michael K. Grandy Sr

Proud Member of Precision Racing Professional Internet Race Team

Member of Nass 2000 Pro Online Series

Competitor in LikeReal LAN Tournaments Pro Division

OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice." But so
what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The physics are
close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most likely
have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than Nascar
Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time. So yea,
Nascar 4 is good and all, but it's really not much different than Nascar
Heat. At least I think so...... flame away.

by **David Booth** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:00:00

It's modeling a 3500 lb car... there should be a difference between N4 and
GPL. N4's physics are more accurate than Heat imho. And Heat is WAY too easy
to drive.

By the way, raise your rear sway bar.

Dave

> I'm not sure about N4 physics. I like Heat better. Maybe the fault is
> because I have just spent the last couple of months running GPL. I
expected
> better throttle response from N4. I have been running N4 at Michigan.
What
> I have been trying to achieve is a setup that would go loose from the
middle
> of turn 1&2 out. What I expected was a enough oomph to throw the rear end
> out exiting the turn. It almost feels like Papy dumbed down the physics
for
> N4. Maybe I'm expecting too much.
> Mike Grandy was kind enough to help me out. I can now turn 183 lap
speeds.
> But, I can't get the car loose from the middle out.

> Kurt

> > says...
> > > I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good
at
> all.
> > > I prefer the Heat engine. Why is everyone so worried about getting up
in
> the
> > > air? That seems stupid to me. How can everyone keep saying improved
AI.
> > > There is only one car in my demo, did I get the wrong one or are you
> making
> > > this shit up? Maybe you are reading Papy's web site...

> > > > OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice."
> But so
> > > > what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The
> physics
> > > are
> > > > close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most
> likely
> > > > have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than
> > > Nascar
> > > > Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time. So
yea,
> > > > Nascar 4 is good and all, but it's really not much different than
> Nascar
> > > > Heat. At least I think so...... flame away.

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> > Don't know about the first but I sure agree about the AI thing, LOL..

> > --
> > Greetings

> > Johan N

by **Jason Mond** » Fri, 01 Dec 2000 04:00:00

That's strange. I found Heat in *** mode tougher to drive than N4,
"right out of the box". I just chalked it up to better default setups
in N4. Once I get my car setup in Heat, it's not so bad because I know
the limits. A road course would be nice to feel the full potential of
the N4 physics.

Jason.

> It's modeling a 3500 lb car... there should be a difference between N4 and
> GPL. N4's physics are more accurate than Heat imho. And Heat is WAY too easy
> to drive.

> By the way, raise your rear sway bar.

> Dave

> > I'm not sure about N4 physics. I like Heat better. Maybe the fault is
> > because I have just spent the last couple of months running GPL.

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by **Alan Orto** » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:04:56

> I'm not sure about N4 physics. I like Heat better. Maybe the fault is
> because I have just spent the last couple of months running GPL. I expected
> better throttle response from N4. I have been running N4 at Michigan. What
> I have been trying to achieve is a setup that would go loose from the middle
> of turn 1&2 out. What I expected was a enough oomph to throw the rear end
> out exiting the turn. It almost feels like Papy dumbed down the physics for
> N4. Maybe I'm expecting too much.
> Mike Grandy was kind enough to help me out. I can now turn 183 lap speeds.
> But, I can't get the car loose from the middle out.

> Kurt

You can do what you are saying but you really need to loosen up the car.
But if you get it just right in turn 1 and 2 you'll spin in 3 and 4.
turn 1 and 2 is a decreasing radius turn with some big bumps and turn 3
and 4 is increasing radius and with the way the banking is you'll easily
spin there.
I've now run a 187.4mph with the race engine with a light fuel load and
a 1:86.9mph with race engine and full of fuel.
I'm sure you'll be steering out of the corner a lot more with the gas at
smaller tracks. At Michigan you pretty much steer the car into the
corner with the gas. Also it is MUCH easier to steer with the throttle
in GPL as you have a larger margin of error with the big slip angles and
less torque. A road course with these stock cars will be a real
handfull.
Also with a good fast loose setup it doesn't take much to spin, just
touch the apron the wrong way and you'll eat the wall. The people saying
they can drive on the apron have a setup that is super tight.

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by Am » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:12:55

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:18:34 GMT, "David Boothe"

Why should a car be hard to drive? Hard does not equal more realistic,
IMO.

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:31:43

Do not trust this man's definition of "tight" and "loose". <g>

Jan.
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by **David Booth** » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:56:41

I agree 100%.... and Nascar Heat is not as realistic imo. I'm only comparing
demos to demos. I took the Heat demo, put it in "***" mode and I
couldn't spin the car if I tried. I loosened it up BIG time. It feels like
it's got tires three feet wide on the back. N4 isn't hard to drive either.
As a matter of fact, its one of the easiest driving sims I've tried next to
GPL. You have such a good sense of what the car is doing, you can really
push the car to its limit and feel the apex of the turns much better. I was
knocking out 23 second laps at Dover Downs within 15 minutes of sitting down
with N4 last night. You can feel the slightest changes in the setup and the
car responds like a car. Nascar Heat imho, responds more like a 40 foot
Grady White fishing boat.

Dave

> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:18:34 GMT, "David Boothe"

> >It's modeling a 3500 lb car... there should be a difference between N4
and
> >GPL. N4's physics are more accurate than Heat imho. And Heat is WAY too
easy
> >to drive.

> Why should a car be hard to drive? Hard does not equal more realistic,
> IMO.

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