I think your comments on NH are a bit harsh. I made my comment because
I actually prefer the feel of NH. See post from Steve Blankenship down
below in another thread. He feels the same way. I don't know which is
more realistic, I just don't believe the cars pull that hard to the
left as they do in N4 and prefer the more subtle pull of NH.
That IS the point. They took the "extra time" to do it right.
Andy
> I just don't believe the cars pull that hard to the
> left as they do in N4 and prefer the more subtle pull of NH.
Dave
> Do not trust this man's definition of "tight" and "loose". <g>
> Jan.
> =----
> Alan Orton wrote...
> > Also with a good fast loose setup it doesn't take much to spin, just
> > touch the apron the wrong way and you'll eat the wall. The people saying
> > they can drive on the apron have a setup that is super tight.
> > --
> > Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC)
> > http://www.barc-oc.com
> > http://www.casc.on.ca
> >They do depending on the setup, I've driven one.
> They pull hard to the left on a long track where
> stagger is minimal?
> Yes depending on castor, camber, weight displacement and of course banking
> of the track. You can take a regular street car down a road that is turtle
> backed (it slopes down to both sides from the middle) and the car will pull
> strongly to whatever side you're driving on. Stagger is only one factor to
> the pull.
> --
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I do believe that in N4 this is mostly due to first stagger and then
camber effects.
-Gregor
> > On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:56:41 GMT, "David Boothe"
> > I just don't believe the cars pull that hard to the
> > left as they do in N4 and prefer the more subtle pull of NH.
> They do depending on the setup, I've driven one.
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I have yet to try and eliminate the left pull because I want the left pull
so I'm not sure which changes will create the most difference in N4. You are
right regarding an absolutely neutral car when it is up to speed. Even a
neutral car not up to speed will pull on a banked track. I do believe I
mentioned weight displacement as well. My point is... there are a lot of
factors that should make the car pull to the left and the cars do pull to
the left and pull *** ovals. Stagger has probably the most influence,
proceeded by weight displacement, castor settings, camber settings and
banking (probably in that order).
I doubt the default setup for the road courses will have much pull at all.
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How's the old stomping ground? Still a political forum or back to actually
discussing sim racing now that the N4 demo is on the proverbial "street"?
Dave
> > > On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:56:41 GMT, "David Boothe"
> > > I just don't believe the cars pull that hard to the
> > > left as they do in N4 and prefer the more subtle pull of NH.
> > They do depending on the setup, I've driven one.
> What are you doing here, don't you have something to sell to someone ?
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> > The banking part is only true if the car is understeering, which a
{snips...}
> > I do believe that in N4 this is mostly due to first stagger and then
> > camber effects.
> I have yet to try and eliminate the left pull because I want the left pull
Kudos to Papy for doing a hell of a job!!! I think its awesome. Would be
better on a vid card with more muscle than the V3 <g>
Dave
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> Goy, my favorite foreigner. How goes it? And yes.... The US Stock Market has
> been on sale for the last couple of days.... busy busy busy. I do have to
> correct you in saying that in recent days, I've been buying for my
> clients... haven't been selling much of anything (but I get paid in both
> scenarios) <g>
Well, the drop in the IT market may have been to my benefit actually,
because the governmental Telecom company over here, Telenor, is heading
for the stock market and the IPO deadline has just past, and I just
learned that the IPO has been dropped from the 50-68 nkr range to the
42-46 range, so unless the market totally collapses, I really ought to
cash in on it as I signed up for the IPO a couple of day ago expecting
it to be in the upper range, and I've just gotten a discount, let's just
say that the next couple of weeks will be somewhat exciting .....
Oh you know, it's now gone from the "The Demos are stealing the
election, no they're not, it's the Reps that won't let all votes count"
song to the "N4 rules, no it doesn't, NHeat is so much better".....
I don't know which I prefer, but it sure is entertaining, throw in the
odd personal attacks and it's business as usual :-)
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> Oh you know, it's now gone from the "The Demos are stealing the
> election, no they're not, it's the Reps that won't let all votes count"
> song to the "N4 rules, no it doesn't, NHeat is so much better".....
> I don't know which I prefer, but it sure is entertaining, throw in the
> odd personal attacks and it's business as usual :-)
So can we expect to see you on some ovals with the release of N4? <g>
Take care,
Dave
> So can we expect to see you on some ovals with the release of N4? <g>
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