Speculation why David Kaemmer is not on the N3 box or credit
roll.........because he's "on the box" for NASCAR Legends.....true to his love
of "period" racing! And along with David on the box of N-Legends......is the
words "NASCAR Legends physics engine - is the Grand Prix Legends physics
engine!"
Come to think about it........Papy hasn't said a word about N-Legends....just
shown us some screen shots and listed the tracks. Could this be possible?
--
Tom Pabst
seems more similar to GPL than N3 .... ;)
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>Speculation why David Kaemmer is not on the N3 box or credit
>roll.........because he's "on the box" for NASCAR Legends.....true to his
love
>of "period" racing! And along with David on the box of N-Legends......is
the
>words "NASCAR Legends physics engine - is the Grand Prix Legends physics
>engine!"
>Come to think about it........Papy hasn't said a word about
N-Legends....just
>shown us some screen shots and listed the tracks. Could this be possible?
>--
>Tom Pabst
If it pans out, then I'll be verrry happy. If it turns out to be N3 in
1970's clothing, well then pass me the cowboy hat and superfly glasses
anyway, 'cause I'm gonna' do my best Petty impression and run the wheels
off it.
Stephen
D. Cook
wrote...
> Speculation why David Kaemmer is not on the N3 box or credit
> roll.........because he's "on the box" for NASCAR Legends.....true to his love
> of "period" racing! And along with David on the box of N-Legends......is the
> words "NASCAR Legends physics engine - is the Grand Prix Legends physics
> engine!"
> Come to think about it........Papy hasn't said a word about N-Legends....just
> shown us some screen shots and listed the tracks. Could this be possible?
> --
> Tom Pabst
OTOH, the NASCAR Legends features list says:
which is not matched by any similar claim in the N3 features list*...
Hmmmm... Now you've got me talking to myself... :)
* - and, another sales lesson from the "failed" GPL, perhaps they are
soft-pedaling any mention of the GPL engine to the general public for
fear of scaring them off (oooh, it's too hard!). Us RAS'ers will find
out soon enough...
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
>Speculation why David Kaemmer is not on the N3 box or credit
>roll.........because he's "on the box" for NASCAR Legends.....true to his love
>of "period" racing! And along with David on the box of N-Legends......is the
>words "NASCAR Legends physics engine - is the Grand Prix Legends physics
>engine!"
>Come to think about it........Papy hasn't said a word about N-Legends....just
>shown us some screen shots and listed the tracks. Could this be possible?
So it sounds to me like the physics *engine* is identical to N3,
with a few of the input parameters altered (tires, setup options,
etc).
That said, I have been a bit puzzled as to why they would release
two *very* similar sims only a month apart. It would seem that the
Legends version would be doomed to much lower sales (from being
released shortly after potential-blockbuster N3 and the questionable
appeal of "period racing" based on the sales of GPL). Unfortunately,
that's just speculation, like yours. (And, geez, will you stop making
me dream about such things as a GPL-based NASCAR Legends! :)
BTW, has David ever been in the credits of any of the NASCAR sims?
(maybe the original?)
BTW2, I see they now have the box art on the Papyrus site - King
Richard in person and leading a flock of Superbirds (of course, they
are bunched *far* closer together than you'd see them racing, or even
starting :). (And, no, you can't read any credits. :)
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
> I heard the following "rumor" today:
> Speculation why David Kaemmer is not on the N3 box or credit
> roll.........because he's "on the box" for NASCAR Legends.....true to his love
> of "period" racing! And along with David on the box of N-Legends......is the
> words "NASCAR Legends physics engine - is the Grand Prix Legends physics
> engine!"
> Come to think about it........Papy hasn't said a word about N-Legends....just
> shown us some screen shots and listed the tracks. Could this be possible?
> --
> Tom Pabst
Philster
Bruce
> > I heard the following "rumor" today:
> > Speculation why David Kaemmer is not on the N3 box or credit
> > roll.........because he's "on the box" for NASCAR Legends.....true to his love
> > of "period" racing! And along with David on the box of N-Legends......is the
> > words "NASCAR Legends physics engine - is the Grand Prix Legends physics
> > engine!"
> > Come to think about it........Papy hasn't said a word about N-Legends....just
> > shown us some screen shots and listed the tracks. Could this be possible?
> > --
> > Tom Pabst
> Although I would tend to agree with you (just look at the mirror from
> inside the car in NL: you see track texture and blue sky with clouds;
> also, the drivers look better than in N3 (cardboard cut outs), a lot
> like GPL drivers in fact), the FAQ at www.papy.com does state that NL
> will use the N2-N3 engine.
> Philster
> Could it be possible? It could be. Papayrus did not want to take a chance by
> releasing Nascar 3 with it because of higher system requirements and how tough it
> might be. So they didn't want to hurt sales. So what do you do then? You do what
> they are doing and release a Nascar game with the GPL engine to test the waters.
> Another thing, and I think this is the giveaway that it WILL use the GPL engine, is
> the game is full priced (50.00 pre order on EB sites).
> If it were just Nascar 3 with the older tracks and drivers, it would be a 20.00
> upgrade.
> It will use the GPL engine.
> Bruce
> > > I heard the following "rumor" today:
> > > Speculation why David Kaemmer is not on the N3 box or credit
> > > roll.........because he's "on the box" for NASCAR Legends.....true to his love
> > > of "period" racing! And along with David on the box of N-Legends......is the
> > > words "NASCAR Legends physics engine - is the Grand Prix Legends physics
> > > engine!"
> > > Come to think about it........Papy hasn't said a word about N-Legends....just
> > > shown us some screen shots and listed the tracks. Could this be possible?
> > > --
> > > Tom Pabst
> > Although I would tend to agree with you (just look at the mirror from
> > inside the car in NL: you see track texture and blue sky with clouds;
> > also, the drivers look better than in N3 (cardboard cut outs), a lot
> > like GPL drivers in fact), the FAQ at www.papy.com does state that NL
> > will use the N2-N3 engine.
> > Philster
Philster
>>I heard the following "rumor" today:
>>Speculation why David Kaemmer is not on the N3 box or credit
>>roll.........because he's "on the box" for NASCAR Legends.....true to his
love
>>of "period" racing! And along with David on the box of N-Legends......is
the
>>words "NASCAR Legends physics engine - is the Grand Prix Legends physics
>>engine!"
>>Come to think about it........Papy hasn't said a word about
N-Legends....just
>>shown us some screen shots and listed the tracks. Could this be possible?
>WHOAAAAAA!!!
Joel Willstein
--
See ya in the pits,
Dean
I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
long it's been since I've forgotten anything.
And no damned restrictor plates!
-Larry
> >I heard the following "rumor" today:
> >Speculation why David Kaemmer is not on the N3 box or credit
> >roll.........because he's "on the box" for NASCAR Legends.....true to his
love
> >of "period" racing! And along with David on the box of N-Legends......is
the
> >words "NASCAR Legends physics engine - is the Grand Prix Legends physics
> >engine!"
> >Come to think about it........Papy hasn't said a word about
N-Legends....just
> >shown us some screen shots and listed the tracks. Could this be
possible?
> For the last two weeks or so there has been a reasonably
> informative NASCAR Legends FAQ available (at www.papy.com). It
> states:
> >>How is this product different from NASCAR Racing 3?
> >>Answer:
> >>The core game technology and features are very similar, but the
> >>difference is obviously the cars and tracks, the car physics
> >>(bias ply tires make the cars feel quite a bit different),
> >>setup differences (screw jacks can be adjusted during pit stops)
> >>and a few rule differences such as no pit road speed limit.
> So it sounds to me like the physics *engine* is identical to N3,
> with a few of the input parameters altered (tires, setup options,
> etc).
> That said, I have been a bit puzzled as to why they would release
> two *very* similar sims only a month apart. It would seem that the
> Legends version would be doomed to much lower sales (from being
> released shortly after potential-blockbuster N3 and the questionable
> appeal of "period racing" based on the sales of GPL). Unfortunately,
> that's just speculation, like yours. (And, geez, will you stop making
> me dream about such things as a GPL-based NASCAR Legends! :)
> BTW, has David ever been in the credits of any of the NASCAR sims?
> (maybe the original?)
> BTW2, I see they now have the box art on the Papyrus site - King
> Richard in person and leading a flock of Superbirds (of course, they
> are bunched *far* closer together than you'd see them racing, or even
> starting :). (And, no, you can't read any credits. :)
> "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
> nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
> a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
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