rec.autos.simulators

David G Fisher

What ISP do you use for on-line ***?

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David G Fisher

Naw... the impression you give to us and even to non-*** racers on
r.a.s.  is that GPL is crap.

Also that MonacoGP and C:PR in all their aspect are as good as GPL, and even
better in some point.  For you it seems everything in GPL fails (physics
engine, multiplayer, graphics, etc...).  We are against you on that, that's
why we argument with you.

It's seriously the People vs. David Fisher  ;-)

- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard!
- Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
- Sponsored by http://www.racesimcentral.net/
- "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Yes of course... "Racing sim/game".  You open the horizons to arcade-style
internet multiplayer racing like POD and MTM1/2 and MCM, who you know and we
know are much less demanding for online racing.

I got no problem joining ANY races with my 28.8 modem. That's 15+, even full
field races.  The only problem I might have is that Concentric disconnects
me from the ISP about 1-2times per day... (they are fixing the Montreal POP
server).

Still, since we are talking about a racing simulator.. what is for you "send
the essential". What do you think should be disabled ? This is a racing
simulator.. offline or online. Not an arcade game. Im waiting for your
answer on that ;)

- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard!
- Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
- Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ on the NROS
- "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

David G Fisher

No-one can claim GPL's net code's perfect. Maybe it's not even very well optimised given
release dates etc. But in my experience online in a variety of games/sims, the Net quality of
all participants is the biggest factor. It's possible that GPL is less forgiving than some, and
sometimes one rotten connection seems to drag the whole race down. It's just difficult to
work out exactly where the problem lies, which is why Net *** remains a deeply
problematic area for games developers. It's just not a level playing field, and you can't blame
developers for that. I'm just glad it works at all!

Of course Papyrus have my permission to keep working on the Net code and getting the
packet size down ;-)

Andrew McP

Agreed 100%. I'm probably just an old romantic, but I don't take any of this for granted. The
Net has introduced me to some great people and given me some superb sim experiences.
Some huge frustrations as well, but that -- as they say -- is life!

Andrew McP

As you keep reminding me, I've no idea what's going on inside GPL. Similarly you have no
idea what's being passed back and forth on the Net compared to other games/sims, and
how necessary all that data is.

It's quite possible Papyrus could get away with exchanging a simple x,y,z coord for other
cars. It'd be interesting to see it tried. In the mean time I'll be enjoying myself online, warts
and all.

Andrew McP

Michael Powell heeft geschreven in bericht

you through the start relatively easy, even with high latencies or warping.

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Bart

 I see post after post of people having problems with warping and
disconnects even with pings of 200. You don't? The fact that it's not
recommended to host more than two other racers on a 33.6 or 56k modem says
it all.

Call Papyrus's help line and see if you can't get the person on the phone to
admit that the online problems are real.

I talk to veteran online sim racers all the time and most of them have had
the same problems as me and rate GPL's online play as poor and frustrating
when compared to older, previous sims.

David G Fisher

Host.  Not join a server.  <please>

Where do I see this ?? What like 2-3 people that posted that on r.a.s. in a
month ..

Btw David, Im the tech support guy for VROC, and from all the emails I
received none of them were to complaint or to tell me a suggestion about
their connection. I got a person who was wondering what are good pings and
help to get his connection faster, but he didn't had problems at all.

So your saying as a FACT that people are complaining. And Im saying as a
FACT that people aren't.  If they would r.a.s. would be plenty of people
complaining. And I would had received plenty of people complaining.

"most" ? Can you please talk about numbers, or people name's here...  I
mean... I talked to many veteran also, and I still saw nobody that said it
was ***like you think. Of course, they all agree this ain't the NROS, but
nothing is like the NROS. It's completly different, in another world.

So who are those people David ?

- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard!
- Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
- Sponsored by http://www.racesimcentral.net/
- "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

I was wondering about "sideway warping" also.
Sometimes, while getting passed (seems to be I'm the slowest GPL
online racer in the world) the other cars shows up in the grass on the
right side, then on the left side, so I guess he crashed and spun out.
But no, obviously he drove perfectly straight and continues normally.
Ok, I can understand that cars warp "forward", but why should they
show up at places where the real driver obviusoly never has been?

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2-3??? In a month???? I can't even respond to this. This is exactly why
trying to discuss GPL is impossible. You have too many hours in the sim to
discuss any criticism.

LOL

David G Fisher

I am not sure what the problem could be but there are just so darn
many variables to take into account that it could be anything that
is messing up your connections:

-A ***modem.
-***modem drivers.
-Something not quite set up right in the 52349524 different Windows      
internet related settings that need fiddling with or updated before
  everything works stably.
-***ISP.
-Bad routing somewhere just outside of your ISP.
-The phase of the moon, what your horoscope says, etc:)

the week before GPL showed up on my doorstep I went to Alison's
site and went to a linked page off her Online page that covers
all sorts of modifications to be done to optimise online connections,
from some Quake guy's web page. A lot of those modifications involved
downloading updates to the win95 DUN, kernel, TCP, winsock, etc,
almost all of these updates have the described purpose of "providing
a more stable TCP/IP connection". Have you done this sort of thing,
yet?

I run GPL on my P233mmx, i get around 20-25fps online, i run a
33.6 external modem, i get between 600-800ms latency to all the
US cable modem servers, and I never get random disconnects unless
something glitches in the internet or my modem drops (it drops at
least once a day while playing GPL). Yes, to me every single car
on the track appears to warp quite a bit . But I don't mind just
sitting behind people until they fall off. If they don't fall off,
then they deserve the place:) and on the rare occasions where
someone is behind me and actually faster than me, i am more than
happy to let them past if they make a good passing manoever (why
can i never spell that word?).

I hope you can get your system going well eventually.
Grant.