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> > Indy 500! The
> >greatest race in the world!

> **Used to be** the greatest.  Tony George with his monumental ego has
> destroyed it.  And I say that as someone who has lived his whole life
> within fifty miles of the track.  I can quote all sorts of statistics
> of the race from memory but since '95, it's become a joke -- a BAD
> joke.

> I only hope that the two sides of this ignorant dispute can settle
> their issues and re-unite open wheel racing before both series die.

> He was in the top 5 before those pitstops. When everyone went into the
> pits he took the lead. And that was the problem. Everyone knew that
> Montoya would pass him and he would have to pit anyway. I think he
> was doing F1 type team orders and making it difficult for people to
> pass to give Montoya a bigger advantage.

> --

> > He was in the top 5 before those pitstops. When everyone went into the
> > pits he took the lead. And that was the problem. Everyone knew that
> > Montoya would pass him and he would have to pit anyway. I think he
> > was doing F1 type team orders and making it difficult for people to
> > pass to give Montoya a bigger advantage.

> > --

> I think you nailed it, Greg.  Not that Montoya needed any help.

> Jerry Morelock

> > > He was in the top 5 before those pitstops. When everyone went into the
> > > pits he took the lead. And that was the problem. Everyone knew that
> > > Montoya would pass him and he would have to pit anyway. I think he
> > > was doing F1 type team orders and making it difficult for people to
> > > pass to give Montoya a bigger advantage.

> > > --

> > I think you nailed it, Greg.  Not that Montoya needed any help.

> > Jerry Morelock

> I disagree and apparently so does Jimmy Vasser -- he stated that since his
> car was such a handful to drive all day, the only hope they had was to
skip
> the pit stop and pray for another yellow flag. If another long yellow had
> indeed come out, he might have won. Apparently, there weren't any team
> orders at work.

> Jim Getzen

> (snip)
> > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will give
it
> a
> > go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams, a
> > one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much
> (unsnip)

> Now THAT would inject some much-needed interest, Don.
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------

> > > What ELSE are they going to say in a public statement, John?
> > > "It was a pathetic event and we peed all over the opposition without
any
> > > effort at all"? :-)

> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Bruce Kennewell,
> > > Canberra, Australia.
> > > ---------------------------

> > > > Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that
> > winning
> > > > Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done.  Does that make
Ganassi
> > and
> > > > Montoya a bad joke as well?

> > > > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams,
> owners,
> > > and
> > > > drivers do.

> > > > -- JB

> > Ezzaktly Bruce, this wasn't about politics, CART vs. IRL or any of that
> > other petty BS. This year's 500 was about the best team in American
> > motorsport purchasing off-the-rack cars and engines, running minimal
> > practice laps, qualifying fast enough to start towards the front and
then
> > spanking the opposition at their own game. The Ganassi pit stops were
> > spectacular, truely a professional outfit. The rest of the IRL regulars
> had
> > better raise their game by next year, or more of them will find
themselves
> > standing by the sidelines, as more CART teams "cherrypick" the 500.

> > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will give
it
> a
> > go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams, a
> > one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much.
> > --
> > don

>When did Montoya say that?  He struck me as singularly unmoved by the whole
>thing.  He wasn't exactly like those last-minute qualifiers (and bubble
>burstees) a week back who were all choked up.

>> But out of curiosity, how is the track distance measured, i.e, is the
>> circumference measured from say the centre of the track or the inner edge
>> of the track (the white line)?

>> Cheers,
>> Rod.

>Track distance on an oval is always measured at the shortest possible
>distance around the track, i.e. the inside line.

>You'll find this true not just of oval car racing but any event which runs
>on an oval, like, say, the mile run.

change
>so it doesn't happen again.  Something to prevent the "REAL" driver from
>CART to come over and spank the IRL regulars again.

>--
>Scott B. Husted
>ICQ #4395450

>Editor in Chief
>PowerSims.com

>> > What ELSE are they going to say in a public statement, John?
>> > "It was a pathetic event and we peed all over the opposition without
any
>> > effort at all"? :-)

>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> > Bruce Kennewell,
>> > Canberra, Australia.
>> > ---------------------------

>> > > Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that
>> winning
>> > > Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done.  Does that make Ganassi
>> and
>> > > Montoya a bad joke as well?

>> > > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams,
>owners,
>> > and
>> > > drivers do.

>> > > -- JB

>> Ezzaktly Bruce, this wasn't about politics, CART vs. IRL or any of that
>> other petty BS. This year's 500 was about the best team in American
>> motorsport purchasing off-the-rack cars and engines, running minimal
>> practice laps, qualifying fast enough to start towards the front and then
>> spanking the opposition at their own game. The Ganassi pit stops were
>> spectacular, truely a professional outfit. The rest of the IRL regulars
>had
>> better raise their game by next year, or more of them will find
themselves
>> standing by the sidelines, as more CART teams "cherrypick" the 500.

>> Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will give
it
>a
>> go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams, a
>> one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much.
>> --
>> don

> Yeah I would really like to see AT LEAST the best open wheel drivers in
the
> world racing the event, and I would also like to see the best from Nascar
> and Sport. If Robby Gordon can do so well at the current 500, and then be
a
> back marker in NASCAR, I would think some of the more talented nascar
people
> (Including non Winston cup guys that road race at the WC road races) could
> be much more competitive than many of the IRL guys at the least.

> So:
> Michael Schumacher - Juan Montoya - Mika Hakkanin
> Greg Ray (Got Lucky :)) - Pedro De Le Rosa - Tony Stewert
> Jacques Villeneuve - Jeff Gordon - Ralph Schumacher

> making up the first 3 rows... that would be a tad bit more exciting than
the
> top 9 we really had. So If all the leagues could get together in the next
10
> years and agree to take a few weeks off and really put together a race
that
> everyone could get e***d about, then it would bring new fans and more
> money for everyone, and I think that's something IRL\CART\FIA\NASCAR can
all
> agree with... money :)

> > (snip)
> > > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will
give
> it
> > a
> > > go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams,
a
> > > one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much
> > (unsnip)

> > Now THAT would inject some much-needed interest, Don.
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------

> > > > What ELSE are they going to say in a public statement, John?
> > > > "It was a pathetic event and we peed all over the opposition without
> any
> > > > effort at all"? :-)

> > > > --
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Bruce Kennewell,
> > > > Canberra, Australia.
> > > > ---------------------------

> > > > > Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that
> > > winning
> > > > > Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done.  Does that make
> Ganassi
> > > and
> > > > > Montoya a bad joke as well?

> > > > > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams,
> > owners,
> > > > and
> > > > > drivers do.

> > > > > -- JB

> > > Ezzaktly Bruce, this wasn't about politics, CART vs. IRL or any of
that
> > > other petty BS. This year's 500 was about the best team in American
> > > motorsport purchasing off-the-rack cars and engines, running minimal
> > > practice laps, qualifying fast enough to start towards the front and
> then
> > > spanking the opposition at their own game. The Ganassi pit stops were
> > > spectacular, truely a professional outfit. The rest of the IRL
regulars
> > had
> > > better raise their game by next year, or more of them will find
> themselves
> > > standing by the sidelines, as more CART teams "cherrypick" the 500.

> > > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will
give
> it
> > a
> > > go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams,
a
> > > one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much.
> > > --
> > > don

>> And I thought it was a blow to IRL when last seasons winner "graduated"
>into
>> CART. ;-)

>> Last I heard it was a CART driver 1-2... did Vasser drop back?

>He dropped out of the top 5 I believe. This was due to some unique
>fuel strategy by Target. I think basicly Jimmy took one for the team
>and CART to help Montoya win.