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Has anyone verified if this is an actual PAPY package, or something weaker
from EA or another company?

Also, it sure as hell better have more than the 2002 cars/tracks to justify
$50!  It's gonna be a loser sales wise if it don't.

I sure hope they aren't reselling as 'new' what should be a track pack/car
update.

-Larry

It's from Sierra.  Look at the package.

I can't see "major" addition to the Nascar Series.  Somehow, we already have
the big major things, so all they can add is imho little enhancements, etc..
They can only but perfect what they have created.  It's a good thing.

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Just because it says Sierra, doesn't mean it _has_ to be a Papy package :)
Just trying to be sure.

Your other statement is true.  However, it should cost something like $29 if
all it is is a track/car update.  $49 is too much money for the same game,
otherwise.

JMHO.

Then again, since it isn't realeased, it's entirely possible that the $49
price is just a place-holder for now.

-Larry

Look at the other logo , its papys logo

Then that's the proof we need.  Thanks!

Now, we need to know the contents that justify $50 :)

-Larry

But it is :)

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hm...

an altavista search for "nascar racing 2002" produces exactly 0
results,

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  The price STUNS me.  A season update with what?  the two new tracks and
the latest paint schemes on the cars?  For $50 bucks we are getting a
patched N4.
  Has anyone noticed the price jump ALL Sierra games have taken in the last
year....which also co-incides with the presence of Secure-Rom copy
protection?
  At least when EA brought out F1 CS 2k, they kept the price down.
dave henrie

I'm wary of singling out Sierra here.  It seems like nearly everyone
has jacked up their prices of new releases the last 3 months:

Activision - Return to Castle Wolfenstein - $55
Infogrames - Civilization 3 - $50
Ubisoft - IL-2 Sturmovik - $45
Microids - Tennis Masters Series - $45
Codemasters - Operation Flashpoint - $45
Microsoft - Flight Simulator 2002 Standard - $50
Electronic Arts - The Sims - $45 <--- didn't this come out *2* years
ago?

And don't forget the absolutely most overpriced software (I've put
software with more features afterwards):

Microsoft - Windows XP Professional - $299
-----SuSE - Linux 7.3 Professional - $80

Microsoft - Office XP Professional - $450
-----Sun Microsystems - Star Office - free download/included with SuSE
7.3

There are some notable exceptions of course:

JoWood - Rally Trophy - $30 (of course, we aren't getting it until
January 15th)
Microids - Master Rallye - $20

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I'd like to get this one, but I'm NOT paying $55 for it.  Maybe in 2 months
when it drops to $39 or so...

Hehe...  This one I *did* buy...<g>

Yeah - I can't believe they're still charging such a ridiculous price for such
an old game... :(

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I'd heard from someone I race with regularly that the new version, has new
'physics' for the different car makes, and that the new car templates are
different too.... basically , he was saying that it will need new setups ...
and new paints..
          maybe this helps make up the $50 charge?                    jv

I'm waiting a year until it's $20.  The only FPS games I will pay full
price for are the Looking Glass Studios-related ones (Thief, Theif 2,
Deus Ex, System Shock 2).  Thief 3 is coming out soon, IIRC, as I
believe Deus Ex 2 is and I'm sure they'll both be 50 times the game
Wolf3D is at least.  Oh yeah, the Raven games are still great too
(heck, I still play Heretic/Hexen/Hexen 2 all the time, as well as
Soldier of Fortune) and Soldier of Fortune 2 is right around the
corner....  Apparently Quake 4 is also in the works, although I'm sure
it will follow the path of suckiness pioneered by 2 and 3.  Maybe it's
just me, but Carmack/Romero haven't put together a wholly good game
since they stopped working together.  I will give Carmack credit for
developing top-notch FPS engines, just wish he had the creative side
too.

As far as WWII FPS stuff goes, what would be really nice is a WWII
game using the Operation Flashpoint engine.  Hell, I'd pay $60 for
that.

Me too, day it came in at EB. =)  I've seen it blasted in reviews for
being too similar to 1 and 2, but I couldn't disagree more.  I'm
amazed that Jeff Briggs was able to add so many new gameplay elements
while keeping the balance of play almost entirely intact.  I haven't
been this ***ed to a strategy game since Robot Odyssey on my apple
][.

Yeah.  When it came out years ago I was going to wait for the
inevitable price drop since it looked neat, but no way now.  Maybe if
I could make some German sims and import them into IL-2 to drop bombs
on or something. =)

Oh yeah, finally.  People are going to *** about Nascar 2002, but
even if it's the same game repackaged I'm buying it.  If Papyrus
racing sims continue selling well it just improves the odds of seeing
a new open-wheeled sim and I'm all for that.  Bring on GPL 72.

Jason

You can't compare the price of $20 for Master Rallye ( it is junk compare to Rally Trophy).
Concerning Nascar 2002, i think the price is OK, with the good internet play and good customer
service of Papy and Sierra !!!

I wonder if they will address some of the NASCAR rule changes that
have come out since N4 was in development.  The major one that comes
to mind is the SS aero rules, but I know there are some others (aside
from head and neck restraints... don't even go there).

To get *my* $50, it will have to have more in it, I agree.  But think
about someone who has been living under a rock, and hasn't bought the
original game.  Why should they have to spend $40 for the original
game and another $30 for an expansion pack?  I think that might be the
rationale.  I don't know.

Maybe they will release the new tracks as a free download for
registered users?  I really could care less though.  The new tracks
are just slightly revamped versions of the same basic 1.5 mile
tri-oval most of the races get run on anyway.  Now for some new short
tracks...

We can all download new cars for free anyway.

Gerald