rec.autos.simulators

I have been running NASCAR under MS-DOS 6.22 environment, booting
from my MS-DOS setup menu containing several configurations.  I recently
upgraded Windows 3.11 to WIN95.  I have tried to run the game by booting
up in Windows 95 and then shutting down and restarting in MS-DOS mode.  
My MS-DOS setup menu comes up and I select the appropriate configuration
(menu choice) for running NASCAR the way I always have, but Windows95
starts.  Does anyone have any suggestions on how to run NASCAR with a
WIN95 operating system?  Thanks for any help!!

Mike Bruno
JMB55

Ty
<Ty's NASCAR Racing Page - http://web2.airmail.net/rbyrd >

This question has been asked & answered many times.  NASCAR 1.x is not
supported under Win 95.  It might work on a few systems but for the
vast majority, it doesn't work.

Ed Martin
Producer, Series Director
NASCAR Racing League
Papyrus / Sierra On-Line, Inc.

I just Start-Shutdown-Reboot in Dos-mode, and run nascar.

BTW, you don't need the boot menu from Dos 6.22 anymore.
Each icon can have its own config.sys and autoexec.bat assigned,
overriding the ones for windows. I use this method for EF2000 and
Nascar cause they hate Windows or are RAM hogs. Most games like C&C
though just run under Windows Dos-shell (ie in a window).

Rick

To answer the question you asked..Press the F8 key when you see the
line Booting Windows95...

Select MS-DOS mode and then you can run Nascar without any problems.

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Lannie Schafroth

Config.sys:
DOS=HIGH,UMB
Device=C:\WINDOWS\Himem.Sys
Device=c:\windows\emm386.exe noems i=b000-b7ff i=e000-e7ff i=ee00-efff
DEVICEHIGH=c:\cdrom\WCD.SYS /D:WP_CDROM                                
Device=c:\plugplay\drivers\dos\dwcfgmg.sys                              
DEVICEHIGH=C:\VIBRA16\DRV\CTSB16.SYS /UNIT=0 /BLASTER=A:220 I:5 D:1 H:5
DEVICEHIGH=C:\VIBRA16\DRV\CTMMSYS.SYS                                  
FILES=40

SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
SET PROMPT=$p$g
SET winbootdir=C:\WINDOWS
SET SOUND=C:\VIBRA16
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6
SET MIDI=SYNTH:1 MAP:E
PATH c:\windows;c:\windows\COMMAND

C:\VIBRA16\DIAGNOSE /S                                  
C:\VIBRA16\MIXERSET /P /Q                              
LH c:\windows\command\mscdex.exe /D:WP_CDROM /m:20
c:\msinput\mouse.exe
rem LH C:\WINDOWS\SmartDrv

As you can see I have no drivers loading from autoexec.bat, they all load
from dosstart.bat.  This improves boot speed and cuts down on driver
conflicts with Win95 because the drivers don't load until after Win95 shuts
down.  The inclusions on the emm386 line free up some upper memory.  You
may want to try them.  You will have to adapt this to you drivers.  If you
set you machine up this way you shouldn't need a multiple configuration and
you can set up icons in Win95 to run any DOS program. Expanded memory can
also be added from within the program's icon properties.  I get 613,000+
bytes of free conventional mem with this setup, that should be enough for
anything.   I don't use smartdrive usually but you can if you want to.
Once you get this working properly you will be much happier with Win95 for
running dos stuff.  Next step is to learn to create icons to automatically
shutdown to DOS and run Nascar.  That is much easier though.

Dana Bailes

Good info...2 items though...

1)  If you create an ICON and right click, properties, Program,
Advanced, select DOS mode, SPECIFY new MS-DOS mode settings then put
the autoexec info in the autoexec.bat window and put config in the
config window then info in DOSSTART.BAT is bypassed.  DOSSTART is
called upon only when you start in DOS mode by hitting f8 during boot.

2) Really..the only item you need in the CONFIG.sys is
Device=C:\Windows\Himem.sys.  That's it.  EMM386 actually slows down
Nascar a bit as it uses a DOS extender which provides all the
conventional memory the game requires.  This is assuming you're
running the game off your hard drive(WHICH YOU SHOULD!!) and not your
CD-Rom.

Anytime you create custom DOS mode autoexec and config's, you should
always load only what's necessary. Obivously, you don't need a mouse
with Nascar..so don't load it.  Run off a hard disk? then don't load
the CD-Rom.

KenH

 I have been running NASCAR under MS-DOS 6.22 environment, booting
 from my MS-DOS setup menu containing several configurations.  I recently
 upgraded Windows 3.11 to WIN95.  I have tried to run the game by booting
 up in Windows 95 and then shutting down and restarting in MS-DOS mode.

<snip>

 Mike Bruno
 JMB55

Hi,
       PLEASE!!! THERE HAS TO BE A WAY!! LET ME KNOW IF YOU GET
ANYTHING!!

Ty
<Ty's NASCAR Racing Page - http://web2.airmail.net/rbyrd >

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Weyr

would work for 99% of programs.  It was intended for a novice user

trying to get programs working on Win95.  My setup relieves the user

from having to make a custom configuration for every DOS program he

installs, and the two reboots involved with a custom configuration.

DOSSTART.BAT is executed when you shut down to DOS or use the CURRENT

MS-DOS configuration from the Advanced icon property screen, NOT when
you hit F8 at boot.  If you are using a custom configuration for a
program you will have to combine the necessary elements of autoexec and
dosstart required by that program.  I find that to be a hassle and I
know what I'm doing.

Most programs require the soundcard drivers to be loaded by config.sys,
Nascar is an exception.  I'm not sure but a pnp driver may be required
for certain sound cards.

I assume the average user prefers ease of use over absolute performance.
They can worry about that when they better understand what is going on.

Dana Bailes

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Ty
<Ty's NASCAR Racing Page - http://web2.airmail.net/rbyrd >
<Ty's NASCAR2 Page - http://web2.airmail.net/rbyrd/nascar2.html >

I do it because I hate having to reboot my computer.  I run every single
DOS game I have through Win95 and have had no trouble with any of them.  I
do run Nascar in regular VGA, but even back in DOS SVGA was too slow for my
tastes (I have a p120 with 32megs RAM).  It runs fine for me, and I like
how I can easily ALT-TAB out of a game and check my e-mail or catch up with
the newsgroup posts.

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Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences
Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

I didn't do anything special to get it to work, I just set it up like I
would any other DOS program.  Every now and then it will lock up at the
title screen, but most of the time it runs fine.  I have never had trouble
running DOS apps through Win95, perhaps I'm just lucky?

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Emory University Graduate School of Arts & Sciences
Nascar Setups Page: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~ebusch/

So I can secretly run it while I should be doing other things! :)
Anyways, it dosn't slow down enough to be noticable.

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Lannie Schafroth