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> >I'm curious.
> >How many of you are using historically realistic (or as close as the sim
> >will allow) suspension and diff settings?

> >(I run all my cars at a minimum of 4.25 inches GC and differentials at
> >either 45/85 or 30/85.  The diff settings really make for a hell of a
> >driving experience!!).

> I'm curious to know how you can handle a 30/85 diff!! I did a number
> of tests of various diff combinations at the Glen in the Lotus, trying
> to find what combination would allow correct differential action,
> whilst limiting inside rear spin and without going too far to outside
> rear spin. The best setting should allow the inside rear to spin only
> just before the outside, to stop the rear end sliding out. I found
> that 30 deg. would only allow 1 clutch before the rear was mostly
> locked. 45 was also only 1, and 60 was about 2. However 85 degrees
> allows a big tuning potential, since you really need 6 clutches to
> fully lock up the outside rear, or only 2 or 3 for a spinning inside
> wheel. That is why the 85 diff is so popular. There just isn't any
> room to adjust with the 60 deg. diff. 3 is too much, 2 is too little.
> At least that is what I found.

> I've tried the same as you in the name of historical settings and what
> seemed more "correct", but the bottom line is that in gpl they don't
> work very well, at least in terms of driveability. I congratulate you
> on being able to control these bastards with those settings, but how
> do you go around Monaco???? Also, how many clutches do you use? How
> quick are the cars using your setups?

> Rafe Mc

> Jon

> > > (I run all my cars at a minimum of 4.25 inches GC and differentials at
> > > either 45/85 or 30/85.

> > Bruce, I sympathize with your attitude. But (you guessed this was
> > coming) when racing online my competitive instincts take over, and I go
> > for the quickest setup - realistic or not. Maybe it's time for a GPL
> > Classic league...

> > Problem is, what settings are historically accurate? How do you know
> > what they were using in those days?

> > --
> > Bye,
> > Leo

> > It was only ever "tweaked" twice during the season and one of those
> > tweaks was reversed.

> Actually, both were reversed, according to Mr. Oliver :-)
> But he was talking about the changes made by the driver. The team
(probably
> Mr. Chapman) adapted ride height, spring rates etc. for each track.

> Graham Hill on the other hand changed a lot of settings AND kept
meticulous
> records of all values. Now if we could just have a look in that book...

> Bye,
> Leo

> Pity that the "authentic movement" has faded out.

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------

> > I try to as much as possible (whats the point otherwise, you may as well
> > play GP2 if you want no suspension travel and rock hard springs), but
> > information is so scarce that apart from springs and ground clearance
some
> > of the other settings are a bit of an educated guess. I felt that an
> > 'authentic' movement was building in r.a.s. last year, but it has
fizzled
> > out a bit.
> > Steve

> > >I'm curious.
> > >How many of you are using historically realistic (or as close as the
sim
> > >will allow) suspension and diff settings?

> > >(I run all my cars at a minimum of 4.25 inches GC and differentials at
> > >either 45/85 or 30/85.  The diff settings really make for a hell of a
> > >driving experience!!).

> > >--
> > >Regards,
> > >Bruce Kennewell,
> > >Canberra, Australia.
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> Jon

> > > (I run all my cars at a minimum of 4.25 inches GC and differentials at
> > > either 45/85 or 30/85.

> > Bruce, I sympathize with your attitude. But (you guessed this was
> > coming) when racing online my competitive instincts take over, and I go
> > for the quickest setup - realistic or not. Maybe it's time for a GPL
> > Classic league...

> > Problem is, what settings are historically accurate? How do you know
> > what they were using in those days?

> > --
> > Bye,
> > Leo

> > the drivers of '67
> > should have been using different setups.....

> Hehe... only IF those drivers were immortal, had unlimited funds to
> replace cars, unlimited time to practice (or a Shift+R option :-).

> In real life they had only a few hours of practice, one car, one life.
> So they went for a setup that was safe for a 2 hour or 300 km race. It's
> a ***y miracle they were as fast as they were!

> --
> Bye,
> Leo

>(I run all my cars at a minimum of 4.25 inches GC and differentials at
>either 45/85 or 30/85.  The diff settings really make for a hell of a
>driving experience!!).

>Well, I have been known to put on a set of pristine white coveralls and
>style my hair with Brylcreem before stepping up to the computer... :-)

>Stephen

>p.s. yes, I shamelessly edited out part of your question.

> > I'd rather talk to Jim's mechanic.

> That would be Allan McCall. Or Leo Wybrott for the Tasman series. Both are
> still alive. Anyone know their e-mail address?

> Bye,
> Leo

> MS


> > An interesting fact regarding Jim Clark and the Lotus he used in 1967.
It
> > was only ever "tweaked" twice during the season and one of those tweaks
> was
> > reversed (the toe-in was changed by a third of a degree or something
like
> > that.  He didn't like the handling change so it was changed back for the
> > next race!)

> > Pity that the "authentic movement" has faded out.

> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------

> > > I try to as much as possible (whats the point otherwise, you may as
well
> > > play GP2 if you want no suspension travel and rock hard springs), but
> > > information is so scarce that apart from springs and ground clearance
> some
> > > of the other settings are a bit of an educated guess. I felt that an
> > > 'authentic' movement was building in r.a.s. last year, but it has
> fizzled
> > > out a bit.
> > > Steve

> > > >I'm curious.
> > > >How many of you are using historically realistic (or as close as the
> sim
> > > >will allow) suspension and diff settings?

> > > >(I run all my cars at a minimum of 4.25 inches GC and differentials
at
> > > >either 45/85 or 30/85.  The diff settings really make for a hell of a
> > > >driving experience!!).

> > > >--
> > > >Regards,
> > > >Bruce Kennewell,
> > > >Canberra, Australia.
> > > >---------------------------

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> >I'm curious.
> >How many of you are using historically realistic (or as close as the sim
> >will allow) suspension and diff settings?

> >(I run all my cars at a minimum of 4.25 inches GC and differentials at
> >either 45/85 or 30/85.  The diff settings really make for a hell of a
> >driving experience!!).

> Bruce, what kind of bump stop settings do you use with your high
> riding setups? How does it effect control over bumps, etc.? What
> spring rates do you use in conjuction with this? Most people just set
> the bump stops at minimum, but they were obviously well used in real
> life. Any idea of the settings used at the time?

> Rafe Mc